Time Slips

[00:00:02] August 10th, 1901. Charlotte Anne Moberly and Eleanor Jourdain visit the Palace of Versailles as part of their trip to Paris. After what they describe as an unremarkable tour of the palace itself, the pair decide to walk the gardens of the Petit Trianon, a chateau on the premises, and finally to the Grand Trianon.

[00:00:25] Unfortunately, this was closed to the public. Continuing their walk, they take a wrong turn down a lane completely missing their destination. Moberly reports that she saw a woman shaking a white cloth out a window, while Jourdain recalls seeing an old deserted farmhouse with an old plow outside. They run into two men who they thought were gardeners, described as very dignified looking, and wearing longish gray-green coats with small three-cornered hats, who told them to continue going straight.

[00:00:56] Jourdain then recalls a cottage with a woman holding a jug out the door to a girl in the doorway. She described the scene like a living painting or a waxworks. Moberly did not remember the cottage, but she did say that the atmosphere changed at this point. Everything suddenly looked unnatural, unpleasant, and even the trees seemed flat and lifeless. There wasn't any wind moving through the trees.

[00:01:22] Finally, reaching the edge of the woods, they see a man seated behind a kiosk. He's wearing a cloak and a large hat, and they describe him as repulsive, his complexion dark and rough. His face was covered with smallpox. His expression was evil and unseeing. He almost looked past them. They moved on, and another man, tall with large dark eyes and curling black hair under a sombrero hat,

[00:01:52] came up to them and showed them the way to the Petite Trianon. They soon crossed a small bridge, and as they approached the Petite Trianon, Moberly noticed a lady sitting on a stool and sketching in the grass. The woman was wearing a summer dress with a white hat and long fair hair. Jordaine did not see her. The two kept going and made their way back to the palace.

[00:02:18] The uneasy feelings began to lift, and they joined some other tourists before leaving. Unsure what they had experienced, they began to research the history of Versailles. Soon, Moberly realized that the young woman wasn't just any random tourist. She was the former queen and resident of the Petite Trianon, Marie Antoinette.

[00:03:22] Welcome to the Gnosis Things Ghost Podcast. My name is Greg. You just heard Andy in the intro talking about something in France. Correct. Oh, you were right there. And we're going to get into the details a little more. Okay, please explain this. Maybe you'll figure out what we're actually talking about here. Cool. I love it. Tell me. So let's get a little background on Moberly and Jordaine. Charlotte was born in 1846.

[00:03:48] In 1886, she became the first principal of a hall of residence for young women at St. Hughes College in Oxford. She ended up needing help to run things there. It was a pretty large school, so the school hired Jordaine to become her assistant. And they decided that they needed to get to know each other a little better before they started working at this school together. It was a big project for them to do.

[00:04:18] So Jordaine had an apartment in Paris, and Moberly decided to go stay with her for a few months to just get to know each other before giving her the job full time. And that's where they decided to go to Versailles for the tour. Now, they took this tour. Awesome, strange things. Some things they didn't quite understand. Some different things.

[00:04:47] But, you know, at different points during their walk, one would see some person standing there, and the other would just see a deserted building. So they were both experiencing different things at the same time? Yes, yes. And when they left, they really didn't discuss it. They, I guess they kind of... They both thought they were like crazy? Like, I guess they kind of touched on it, you know, together, but not going into full

[00:05:17] detail, I guess, thinking the other one would think they were crazy or, you know, having some weird breakdown or something. Uh-huh. So, you know, they took some time. Well, there's the pressure of you've got somebody that's basically interviewing someone else. And so maybe... Yeah, I mean, these are educators. This power dynamic. Like this, you know, oh, this person's trying to make sure that I'm a good fit. And then the other person going, well, I don't want her to think that I'm crazy. Right. You know what I mean?

[00:05:46] You don't have that kind of dynamic going on, like, when you're trying to get a job. Get a job, yeah. And then interview somebody for a job. So it takes a couple weeks, and Moberly decides to write a letter to her sister explaining the experience to her just to kind of get it off her chest, I guess. And they decide that she needs to ask Jordane if she thought the petite trianon might be haunted. Oh, okay.

[00:06:14] So, you know, she gets in touch with her again, and Jordane agrees. She thinks, yeah, I saw some things. Like, if something weird happened, we should look into it. So they start doing some research on Versailles and the petite trianon and who lived there.

[00:06:36] And, you know, so they've come across Marie Antoinette, and Moberly recognizes her as the woman she saw sketching in the grass. Okay. So, you know, they keep digging deeper.

[00:06:53] So they realize that the events that they saw, that they, you know, piecing it together, they think it happened on August 10th, 1792, which they visited on August 10th, 1901. Mm-hmm.

[00:07:13] So, you know, just by doing their research, they think that all this stuff happened right before a big rebellion. Basically, Marie Antoinette and her children and all of them were on the run from the French Revolution. Yeah, they besieged Versailles. They took over. The Swiss guards were all massacred. Like, it was a big uprising.

[00:07:41] So they believe that they saw events just before this. Everything was peaceful on the grounds. And then that leads to the death of a lot of these people. Yes. So it was a big time in French history. Yeah, there's a lot of backstabbing and people taking different sides. And they're reporting them through the countryside, I believe, because Marie Antoinette went on the run and all kinds of stuff. And that would definitely leave some sort of imprint.

[00:08:12] So the two went back and they kind of retraced their steps, went over their stories together, talked about what they saw, what they didn't see. And basically went back through the history books and tried to figure out what they were seeing and who they were seeing. And during their research, they found out who the man at the kiosk was. He had the smallpox marks on his face.

[00:08:38] Well, there was a nobleman on the court of King Louis XVI named Francois de Paula de Regarde. He was the Comte de Vauderule. Sure. Yes. French is hard. And he was a good friend of Marie Antoinette. And all of his portraits, he had the same distinct pock marks on his face. Okay.

[00:09:07] So they pinpointed this person, they pinpointed Marie Antoinette, and they were convinced that it was haunted at this point. They thought these are the ghosts of these people wandering the ground. Yeah. Like, yeah. Occupying these grounds, living there. So they decided the best way to go about this was to write a book. So in 1911, they wrote an adventure.

[00:09:36] They did, however, use pseudonyms to write this book just to, you know, cover their tracks and make sure nobody thought that they were, I guess, insane. Like, just like they started out, they didn't want to talk about it. And now. Well, they wrote a book about it. Then they wrote a book about it. I don't, you know, different times. Same times. Just everybody's the same all the time. Well, go ahead. That's your opinion. Yeah. All right. Move on. Uh, you know, so a lot of people criticized the book.

[00:10:05] They said they misinterpreted the things they saw. But. Huh? How do they misinterpret the things they saw? Well, like some people thought that maybe there was a reenactment going on, you know, and people were dressed. I mean, it happens all the time and there were reenactments. I get it. It sounds like an argument that I would make. So I'm with it. Yeah. And, you know, but they stood behind it. They said this is what they saw.

[00:10:32] And in 1903, there was a map that was found two years after their visit. And this is the only map that shows that bridge that they crossed on the grounds. Okay. So that at least proves that they shouldn't have had knowledge of some of the landmarks that they saw because it was not. The bridge was completely gone.

[00:10:56] Like if you go, if you went back to it, there was no bridge that they should have crossed when they were walking down that path. So some things. It's a bridge that did exist, but no longer exists. It did exist that it was gone. And it was only noted on one map that it was there. Okay. Okay. And that, that map was dated to when? Did I miss that? It was discovered two years later. What was the date of the map? 1903.

[00:11:22] The, the, the map was, well, the map was from, uh, 17, yeah. Okay. The late 1700s. So the bridge existed at one point, you know, most people didn't know about it, but they saw it. Okay. I mean, you know, who's to say they couldn't have found something? I don't know. Yeah. Who knows? But is the place haunted? Is that what you think?

[00:11:50] I mean, it sounds like ghosts of these people. I don't know why they, I mean, okay. Another. This is not where they died, but. Correct. So you wouldn't think that they would haunt these exact spots, right? Yeah. From my knowledge of ghosts that you've taught me. Maybe you've taught me incorrectly. No, I've taught you very correctly. I've done nothing but tell you the facts about ghosts. True. Okay. Yeah. This, however, is not ghosts. Oh, okay. This is a time slip. What is that?

[00:12:20] These people, if you believe some of the theories, walked into a different time. Like they literally. Just sauntered into a different time? Sauntered is a good word. How do you do that? Into 1792. How does one just do that? That's a very good question that we're going to try to get to the bottom of on this episode. Oh my God. I'm so excited. Will we? Who knows? Probably not.

[00:12:49] There's plenty of theories out there. Yeah. Great. And there's. There's plenty of. Plenty of, you know. Comic books. And. Of comic books. Nonsense about it. No, but we're not going to talk about comic books. No, it's all fiction. But it's okay. Go ahead. Well, I mean, a lot of things are fiction. Including this. No, it was a true story that they wrote into a book. Yeah. If it's in a book, it's real. Sometimes. That's what we've learned from Andy.

[00:13:19] No. If somebody wrote it down or said something about it or put it on the internet or put it in print, it's real. Could have happened. That's what Andy's favorite phrase is. Something happened. I mean. Something did. Some other things happened too. Would you like to talk about maybe some other time slips? Sure. Go ahead. Let's go to our good friend Reddit. Perfect. We're going to talk about some Reddit stories. If we're going to talk about the most reliable. We're going to insert. Some Reddit into our zeitgeist. Okay.

[00:13:49] All right. Cool. Go for it. So this was put out by user oilburn75. Okay. A little while ago. Less than a year ago. And I'm going to read the good bits of it. But, you know, not quoted exactly. But we'll get through it. So in the fall of 2018, I was on a solo road trip into Georgia buying fenders from a man for a truck I was restoring at the time.

[00:14:17] I had gotten to my destination and went to stop and get gas. Upon entering the gas station, everything was suddenly different. It was an indescribable feeling. Something had changed. I went to pay for my gas and I noticed behind the counter, none of the tobacco products had any warning labels on them and they all looked dated and different. Okay. There was no card reader on the counter for credit cards. Okay.

[00:14:46] The prices of things on the racks were a third of what they are today. Okay. Designs of the smokeless tobacco cans look like they were from 99 or 2000. What year is this guy from calling it smokeless tobacco? That's just what he wrote. Okay. Cool. I don't care. Maybe he traveled multiple ways. I don't. I'm not sure. Did he buy everything in the store? No. He. I would have resold the hell out of this.

[00:15:15] He, he went to apparently buy a can of his smokeless tobacco. Uh huh. And, uh. As they call it. As he called it. Apparently. He or she, uh, uh, and he questioned, you know, the date on it. Is it, is this fresh? And. It's not. No. The person at the register assured him that everything was fine.

[00:15:41] Uh, the date on the can read expired in July of 2000. I, I don't know how 18 years later it would still be sitting there. So something's definitely off. Uh, he drove, he, you know, he bought his product and left. So he's, he's stating, no, no. He's stating that he traveled back to the year 2000 and there wasn't a card reader. Apparently not.

[00:16:08] This is sounds like a 14 year old who just figured out. What card readers are. No, they just, it has no, it has no frame of reference. This is number one. They Googled what Googled and put smokeless tobacco. And then they went, Oh, card readers. That's gotta be new. I'm glad you pinpointed the smokeless tobacco. It really bothers me. That's what stuck out to you. Nobody says. And this was in Georgia. Yes. And he is. Where's he from?

[00:16:37] He doesn't say he just, he's getting smokeless tobacco. He's from our neck of the woods. So, but he didn't call it stuff. He didn't call it dip. It's not, it's not. It, it, this man is not from the South. If he's calling it smokeless tobacco. I mean, he drove to Georgia. Maybe he drove Canada. I don't know. It's a trip for some fenders for a truck. He's restoring, which is probably the date. Okay.

[00:17:06] My guess it's, you know, a late nineties, early two thousands. S10. Like it's, it's some piece of junk. It's an S10 extreme or whatever those. Maybe the world knew that he needed a fender from 1999. Here's my biggest thing. What an inconvenient time to go through a time slip. He could have time slipped, just bought himself a new truck. But it said he time slipped into gas station instead of at the dealership. I mean, it would have been a lot better if he could have made it.

[00:17:35] He could have bought a brand new truck or, you know, stopped to invest in something or. Or bought every product that was in the gas station and then got back to current time and resold it. Well, not everybody is as dishonest as you. It's not dishonesty. That's just, it's. That's, I would call that. That's an entrepreneurial spirit. I would call that the world giving to you. That's American dream. Don't exploit somebody else. Don't make profit for yourself. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

[00:18:04] That's what it is. I mean, it is. Anyway, don't care. What a goofy story. Like, I'm not even talking about the original story. This time slip story. I don't, I don't know what the. Well, that's just one. What do I do with that? That's just one. All right, then give me another one, I guess. So. What do I do with that, though, that you gave me? What am I supposed to. Enjoy it. We know that I don't enjoy things. I mean. No, you're miserable. I enjoy arguing about it.

[00:18:33] Because you haven't slipped back into the year 2000. I don't want to go back. I don't want to do that. Not even with your wisdom that you have now. My body is not, I'm not going back into my previous self. I'm just, I'm, I'm there. And then all of a sudden I'm there. Did he look in a mirror? Was there a mirror in the gas station? Did he slip into his. My guess is this child. I'm going to say no. My guess is this child that's driving to Georgia. That has no frame of reference of what the year 2000 was like.

[00:19:02] Because he doesn't understand the year 2000s. We also had card readers. My guess is. And then he also goes to buy his smokeless tobacco. Yes, son. Yes, sir. I am an adult. Hello, fellow adult. He had a fake ID and went back to the year 2000. Yeah. To give himself. No. But there's no point that he says he was transported into his younger self. Because trust me, I would know. I don't think so. I think he was just experiencing. He's saying he's experiencing.

[00:19:29] I think it's the same exact point in time that you're at. But. Moved to the past. Which doesn't make any sense. I don't. Give me another story before I get deeper into this. Now we're going to talk about a specific place. Oh. That may or may not have multiple instances of these time trips. Oh, so it's reoccurring in the same place. So if you go to Liverpool and you travel down Bold Street. Cool.

[00:19:59] To see the Beatles. Hello. Well, you could. Do you like my British accent, by the way? It was very Liverpoolian, too. Did you notice that? It was very excellent. Yeah, it was. It was like I slipped back in time. Wow. Yeah. Weird. Even though it's really like they still talk like that. So it's not like I went into the past to hear that. Well, I'm not going to act like I know the linguistic. Maybe. I don't know.

[00:20:27] But anyway, since 1996, when you walk down Bold Street, there's a chance. That you could see cars from a different era. People wearing outdated clothes. And even retro storefronts. It started in July of 1996, where Frank, an off-duty police officer. Why is that amusing to you? If I think about a guy from Liverpool, I think a guy named Frank.

[00:20:58] Anyway, in July of 1996, Frank, an off-duty police officer, was shopping with his wife down on Bold Street. He went across the road to head into his favorite bookstore, Dylan's. He went across the road to head into his house. All of a sudden, he felt strange. Everything got quiet. He was very confused. He continued on.

[00:21:20] And an old van with the name Kaplins on the side honked with an old-fashioned horn as he tried to cross the road. It shocked him. But he just moved on. It happens. He didn't see it. Thought, you know, I just walked into traffic. No big deal. Yeah, no problem there. No problems yet. Jaywalking. So he looks up. He's a cop. He should know better. He's trying to cross the road again. But to his surprise, the sign on the store now reads Crips.

[00:21:52] Okay. I don't know anything about Liverpool. Well, I mean, he was going into Dylan's. And now it's Crips. Now it says Crips. Yeah. So he looks around to see, you know, maybe he was lost and, you know, out of place or something, which he was. Because he looks around and he starts seeing older cars and people dressed like the 50s and 60s. Mods. NPCs, obviously, yeah. No, I said mods.

[00:22:20] The 60s Beatles style. Not video game stuff. Mods. And so he looks up and he sees a woman wearing modern. Real life video game mods. So what you do is you got to download it, install it into the file. I mean, that's a thought. And then. Is it? Is it the Matrix? That we're living in a simulation. Is it? The gosh darn Matrix. You've already solved it. I didn't even get to the theories yet. Oh, there's a theory? Oh, that it's the Matrix.

[00:22:47] Is that things, glitches happen and, you know, glitching back into something that's in storage. That's like, that used to exist. That is 100% a theory. I nailed it. I'm so good at this. Man, it's like you've been doing it for years. So good. So he looks up and he sees a woman standing in front of the store wearing modern clothes. That's confusing. Yeah.

[00:23:12] So he continues on, but he looks in the storefront and there's now, instead of books, there's shoes and handbags. Okay. Yeah. Different clothing items. So the woman is also going to the store. They go in together. And as soon as they cross the threshold, everything just changes. And now they're in a bookstore.

[00:23:40] So, you know, he, he looks up it's Dylan's now. It's back to the store. He was trying to get to, he looks over and he questions the woman and, you know, she's just like, Oh, I just thought it was a new shop. So I was going in to look at the clothes. Didn't think any of it, but she just kind of rushes off. I guess, you know, shocked about it. And so he's left to ponder, you know, what happened to him.

[00:24:09] But apparently this woman got stuck in the time slip with him. Okay. How does, I'm going to ask a question that I'm sure there's all kinds of nonsense, but how, how do you walk in and out of a time slip? Why would you not walk into, okay, say, okay, say there's a, some kind of imaginary barrier somewhere in a particular area. Kind of portal.

[00:24:36] Something like, and then you walk into it, like you stumble into it. How do you conveniently stumble out of it? Because it seems if it's, if there's a chance of you, if there's a chance that you could experience this time slip, it's gotta be super rare, right? Because if not, everybody would be going there all the time going, well, I just saw the 60s, bro. It was cool. Apparently it was a common thing. I just went to the 60s and then, okay.

[00:25:05] So you go and you fall in this time slip and, but you managed to get out. The odds have to be a, you would think it would be a small chance that you would get stuck. There'd be a large chance you get stuck. Well, yeah. Large chance you would get stuck. A small chance that you would make it back, make it back to your own time. Um, especially like it, it kind of boggles my mind that you would end up back at the same time. Yeah. That wouldn't make any sense.

[00:25:32] What if you went to the 50s and then you end up in the 20s and then you're in the 20, 30s or like, who knows? Yeah. Dinosaurs are walking around or something like, you know, who knows? Like that's, that's the problem I have with that because it's too convenient for somebody to go in and come out. And I'm sure there's a story. It was like, there's a missing people. And we get, we start to get in that sketchy stuff. I mean, I don't want to get you stuff where it's like real world blends over into this. They don't come back. You know, is there an answer to that?

[00:26:01] They just disappeared. Like you, you couldn't get a job. No. Right. What I'm trying to say is I, I have a feeling I've been feeling and I'm not sure that you're going to present to me a story like this or even say anything about it, but I have a feeling that like people go missing all the time. Could it been a time slip? And that's what I don't like is because we're mixing like, you know, real world tragedies. I don't want to necessarily implement that into there, but I'm sure people have though.

[00:26:30] Like, I mean, that's an answer for a lot of things. I'm not going to lie there. Like, yeah, there's plenty of things where people go, what if they just disappeared because of this? What if they didn't? And because they have to live in the real world and real world terrible things happen. So if you don't have somebody to come back from the time slip or, you know, whatever situation you're talking about, if they don't survive it, you don't have an answer to it.

[00:26:55] Is this going to lead into those photographs where people are like that man in the 1940s is talking on a cell phone? Is that going to come up? Well, it was gonna. Okay. Did I just, did I cut you off of the knees? No, I decided not to include some of those. Oh, okay. Well, let's talk about it. All right.

[00:27:21] So, uh, the first one that comes to mind, uh, was in 1940. There was a flood in, uh, South Fork, the South Fork bridge. Uh, it is in Columbia, Canada. And during the reopening, somebody took a photo and there's a hipster standing there. Apparently. Can we give some, let's give some context of what happened behind the scenes a little bit.

[00:27:50] That's, that has been edited out. I brought it up. Andy kind of cut, cut this stuff from the episode, but I brought it up organically. So he went back and I asked, asked, asked him, I asked him to send me the photograph in question. Okay. And so, and it has a caption with it and it has this guy, uh, circled in there.

[00:28:14] And yeah, he looks modern ish. Most of the men in the photos are wearing the old style hats, the fedoras wearing suits. And this guy has a t-shirt on and it looks like, uh, almost like a hoodie or yeah, the t-shirt has some kind of logo on it. Yep. And he's wearing sunglasses. Yeah.

[00:28:38] And holding something in his hand, possibly the caption, which I found particularly funny and I'll read it to you and we'll have this photograph posted for your, you, uh, posted for your viewing pleasure. It says in 1940, a mysterious man was photographed to Canada wearing what seems to be modern clothing and carrying a camera.

[00:29:01] It's authenticity was proven by NTV in Russia in 2010, which I'm assuming NTV is like national state sponsored television. Yeah. Yeah. Which if, if I, number one, I'm gonna take a picture in Canada and have a Russia state sponsored television, uh, authenticate it. Uh, I think we can see all the problems there. Well, I mean, that was in 2010.

[00:29:31] That was great. That's, that's pretty awesome. Um, the picture was taken in 1940. It's not like they sent it right over to him. It was like, Hey, can you authenticate this? Yeah. I, I understand that, but it also, if I'm gonna have, uh, if I'm gonna have Russian national television, um, maybe I don't know what NTV stands for. Maybe I, maybe I need to look that up. Pause.

[00:29:58] They consist of crime series, crime program. Okay. So NTV is basically the, the history channel of Russia. And if we, if anybody's watching the history channel, we know how goofy most of the stuff is on there where mostly it's just going aliens, uh, and trying to say that there's no way Egyptian, Egyptians could build pyramids.

[00:30:26] So it's, it's really nonsense programming. Uh, it's verified by a non-reliable source. My guess is it says NTV Russia because nobody else would verify its authenticity, which makes it seem. I mean, dubious. Yeah. At best. I, I'll give you that. It sounds a little odd that nobody else would come forward. I would put anybody else. I would put the history channel on there before I put the NTV. And that's a stretch.

[00:30:56] Yeah. Like, like, uh, but it is an unusual photo if it were real. Great. I love it. Okay. That's fine. We can move on. I don't, I'm not gonna. So, uh, this one, uh, that we're looking at is from 1938. Uh, and it was captured outside the DuPont factory factory in Massachusetts. Uh, and it appears to show a woman talking on her cell phone.

[00:31:28] Again, we will provide this photograph to listeners. Um, could it not be the lady is just, uh, holding her hand to her face? And. Well, she appears to have something in her hand. Uh, and buddy, I it's, it's a black and white photograph. And this is taken from, uh, a pretty good distance away. And she's holding her hand up.

[00:31:53] You think maybe she could have had a conversation with maybe somebody told her a little joke. Maybe the lady, uh, to her left who had, it appears again, because it's so blurry. It looks like she might have a little smile on her face. You think maybe a joke could have been told or she tripped, uh, right before the photograph was taken and she was laughing at herself and just held her hand up to her face. I don't see anything in her hand. It's a weird position to hold your hand to your face if you're laughing. Maybe if she has a toothache or something.

[00:32:22] No, if you're just kind of holding your fingertips to your cheek and you just give a little giggle. And it could be, uh, granted it could be maybe the timing of the photo. Again, this is, these are done by people that have too much time on their hands. The people next to her don't appear to be talking to her though. They're in a still photograph. They're looking away from her. She's still laughing. What they said five, 10 seconds ago. It was really hilarious. It's a photograph. She found it really funny.

[00:32:51] It's like that. That's nothing. That is literally is nothing. You're the one who asked. I did bring it up and that's fine. But what you're showing me is nothing. You show me a man. It's just, he's holding his cell phone directly up to a 1950s camera. It's just, this is nothing. This is nothing. He was not. No, he was not holding it up to the camera. It was in front of him. Whatever he was holding.

[00:33:22] Again, that was done in 2010. So that photograph, I'm guessing didn't surface until before that because they ran it through a bunch of other. It had the first one. They ran it through a bunch of other people and they're like, no, that's not real. It had to have been circulating. And then they sent it to, they sent it to Russia and Russia was like, that's real, which cool. Don't believe that. But, and then, because they didn't even say in the description of the photograph for the first one, it didn't say cell phone. It said camera. He was holding a camera.

[00:33:52] Yeah, he was, his said a camera. Hers said a cell phone. How could you see that? In his hand in that first photograph, you can't see a camera. You see him looking down at his hands. I can't even tell if that person was really in there if it was not edited after the fact. And then the lady talking, I can't see anything in her hands. I can see a shadow, which could be the shadow underneath her hands. I don't see anything clearly there. Like this is terrible. Okay. Well, I've got one more. Mike Tyson.

[00:34:21] This is Mike Tyson. And there appears to be maybe an iPhone filming the fight in the background. The first camera phone was sold in 2000. Okay. Uh, this fight is from 1995. Great. Great. So what do you think about that one? I mean, I don't know what that is. That one's a little. It has the vague shape of a phone.

[00:34:49] And it looks like how you would hold up. Like his hands look to be around it. Like you would hold up a phone camera. But it could, it could also be, I mean, it could be whatever. It's so out of focus. He is holding it strangely though. Look at the fingers. Like it looks like the thumb is going over top. Like at the top portion of the screen. It kind of looks like he's bending his hand awkwardly. I mean, that could be a program.

[00:35:18] It could be. If, if you were not in the era of smartphones and you saw this being held up, you would have no frame of reference, right? We have a frame of reference because we're used to phones being held up all the time. And so like that could have been anything before the idea of a smartphone with the camera on it entered like the zeitgeist, right? Entered our brains. And that's how we interpret that image to be.

[00:35:46] Before we had that dominating our thought, you know, our thoughts. It would be nice to know what, if to say that picture is 100% real, what are the people around him thinking or saying? Would you think there'd be a bigger reaction to something like that? Especially the one in 1995. You would think we would have a little more context for it. Or at least, you know, maybe not at the time, but maybe now that that picture is circulating. Yes.

[00:36:15] Maybe someone would, oh, I was sitting next to that guy. He had, you know, whatever. I don't, I don't even know what, right. What it would be. But the other thing is, is like when that, you know, when that photograph was taken or when that video was taken or whatever, nobody thought about it in that, in that way. Because like just from the shape and the photograph, the photograph existence is 1995 and somebody looked at it when there was the invention of those smartphone and cameras.

[00:36:44] And then all of a sudden it takes a different, it takes a different shape. It takes a different meaning. Yeah. And it could be any other things. I mean, there were, I don't know. That is the most odd looking one, but my brain sees it and identifies it as something that I know as a smartphone. And it could be anything else. And those three examples of these photos with somebody going to the past is different than what I was telling you. Because we're seeing it from the opposite point of view.

[00:37:14] We're seeing it from the past point of view instead of the storyteller going, oh, I went back to a different time period. Which is definitely very different from what the two ladies were describing. It would still be a time slip. But apparently this person, you know, that went back to 1995 with their cell phone and watched the Mike Tyson fight didn't come out and tell anybody, hey, I was walking down. Can I ask the question? And how do they get tickets into the event?

[00:37:44] They got pretty good seats. Those are pretty good seats. Those are pretty good seats. Although, their prices were way different. That's true. They had to have cash and had to have 1995 cash. You couldn't spend a $2,010 bill. Right. And my bank account number doesn't exist. Uh-huh. You know what I mean? Unless you've had the same account for 40 years.

[00:38:10] Unless you're Doc Brown and you're used to time slips and you're ready for it and you got a briefcase full of money for every different time that you visited. Then how do you... And you know that the weird kid down the street, his kids are going to be a problem. So you prepare for it. Yeah, exactly. Uh-huh. But I mean, that's the other problem. You're moving through time. You're not prepared for time.

[00:38:38] Walking through the time slip, the guy in Liverpool, he's more disoriented. You know what I mean? He's ending up in a situation. And it changed back over as soon as he went through the threshold, so he didn't get a chance to... I mean, if I'm going to theoretically be on board with this, which I'm definitely not in reality, but theoretically, let me poke holes into somebody being like in the front few rows of a Mike Tyson fight in 1995. You're not going to be there.

[00:39:09] You're not going to be there. You're not going to be there with a cell phone, right? Because at that point, if you were stuck in this time and you've already made... I don't know how you did it. You got a job. You did whatever you got to do. I mean, it had to be a quick decision. You couldn't have... You got a job. You got a job in the past with no ID, no valid social security number, nothing. So you got a job. You got a job making a significant amount of money because you had to still pay for a... I don't know. What is that? A fifth row seat to a Mike Tyson fight.

[00:39:40] Well, prices were different then. It was probably 50 bucks. Yeah, prices were different then. You're working a 1995 job. So the prices are... It's still a significant expense. So you've been in the past for years now. Somehow you've gotten a fake identity. And then there's too many hoops to jump through here. I can give them 20 years where they went through a slip and then they did all these things,

[00:40:07] but they had some connections because they don't exist. And then you're going to be in the fifth row of a Mike Tyson fight. No, you're not. With a cell phone that somehow you were still charging. Let's just say that it was like a first edition iPhone. Great. So mid-2000s. Where's my lightning cable at? How do I... How am I charging? He had that in his pocket. Okay, great. He brought that with him. So it went with him. He's been there for how long? He does not like debit cards yet. So he carries lots of cash.

[00:40:37] It has to be 1995 cash. Some of it could have been older. It has to be older. Some of it. Not enough to get into Mike Tyson. Maybe he had a lot of cash and some of it was old enough. If you're telling me this guy was from 1996 and went back to 1996, it doesn't make sense. Well, he wouldn't have had the cell phone then. Exactly. Maybe he met another person that went through the time slip. He was not the time slip person. Maybe it was another person. He already had the tickets. He already had the tickets.

[00:41:06] Somebody went back through the time slip. Yeah. Was disoriented. Mm-hmm. They were like, I gotta charge my phone. So they plugged in the lightning cable. Uh-huh. Yeah. And then, poof. They were in the process of plugging it in. And then they're gone. And so it was out of their hands and they went back. And this guy. And this guy's like, what is that? And figures out the code. Yeah. Or they didn't lock it. They didn't lock it.

[00:41:34] Maybe they didn't lock it because they were disoriented. They were scrolling through TikTok. So he immediately went through settings before it auto-locked so that he could do it. Changed the password. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Keep going. Or maybe they didn't believe in locking. It was the mid-2000s. In 2000s, they didn't have a lot of. Right. More security minded, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. And so they just didn't lock their phone. Their PIN number was 1234. Oh. Yeah.

[00:42:02] Or maybe they were dumb and this guy was smart. One, two, three, four. He got it. Yeah. And he was like, man, this will come in handy when I go see the Mike Tyson fight because now I don't have to pay to relive it. Oh. And you want to know what? None of this happened because it's nonsense. Well, it's written on the internet. It's written down, so. All right. What else? Just like this other exciting story from Reddit. Oh. Another one. Great.

[00:42:32] So this was posted by Ex Familia four years ago. Cool. Uh, and at the time this happened about five years previously. Okay. Uh, I was at the pool trying to get a few laughs in, but I gave up as people kept bumping into me who were playing in the laughing lanes. So disrespectful. I know. Right. Uh, and it was a really hot day and it was crowded. So I just shrugged it off and I let them have their fun.

[00:43:02] Didn't make a fuss. Uh, so I started walking down to the shallow end ahead, holding onto the pool's edge. I could see two teenage girls standing in the shallow end chatting back and forth. Uh, the one facing me was the spit image of my best friend. When I was about that age, about 15 or so, I couldn't believe how much she looked like Angie as I walked by.

[00:43:32] When I passed the girls, I turned and got the shock of my life. The girl talking to the one who looked like Angie was me. Angie and I had spent a lot of time at that pool when we were 15 and I even thought I recognized the bathers they were wearing. Obviously this is British again. Oh yeah. They're definitely not American. Uh, so why are British people obsessed with time slips?

[00:43:58] Uh, there's a lot of, especially European, but pinpointing the British and the French in France. So it happens. Uh, but got out of the pool that they're shaking for a minute. Uh, and I walked back to see if they were still there. They confirmed us. They weren't. They were gone.

[00:44:26] Spent another hour or so looking around in the pool area, in the canteen, the changing rooms, never saw them again. So is this, uh, uh, I have not just a time slip, but a time slip to your own history or, or a complete mental breakdown, but is that a possibility?

[00:44:54] She sat there and, and gathered herself right in the midst of a mental breakdown and then saw nothing because she, you know, she came out of the, she came out of the mental breakdown or, or she went five years into the past and did not cause any sort of paradox by interacting with her own self. I mean, technically she didn't, she didn't interact with herself. She just walked by and saw herself. I mean, this means nothing.

[00:45:23] You would know what you looked like five years before, right? You wouldn't mistake yourself for somebody else. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, again, why do I need to believe the story? What compels me to believe the story? That's the question I'm asking. We're doing this episode on time slips and I'm telling you all about these time slips. All right. Wait a second. So great. Okay. I'm listening. I'm listening. Okay.

[00:45:49] Why, why does the story, why does somebody, why does this person tell me the story matter other than you tell me the story by time slips, which I understand why could be relevant? My question is more at the bare bones of it. Why do I care what this person has to say? Like, why do I need, why do you believe what this person said as a thought experiment? Why do you believe?

[00:46:14] I'm not saying that you do, but why do you believe that what this person said? Why do you believe the story? I, I don't necessarily believe the story, but I don't disbelieve the story. Okay. Can I ask a question? Why? Why? I'm, this is me redeeming myself from previous episodes. Why? Why do you, why? Well, it sounded like a good story that would fit in this episode. No, but I meant like fundamentally.

[00:46:43] Why would you give this person? I have no reason to believe this person. Why would anybody else? I don't know this person. This is, it's not directed just to you. No, no, no. I understand what you're saying. I'm going to direct this toward the audience. Why would you believe this story? And. Why would you? If you would like to give us feedback on that. Right. If it's like, oh, something similar happened to me. Oh, or you have your own story. Yes. Okay. Okay, cool. I get that. Something similar happened to me. So. That's why I believe that.

[00:47:13] Okay, cool. If something similar hasn't happened to you. Why do you believe it? You have, if you believe in something, you have to give an answer as to why you believe it. I mean, part of it goes back to stuff we've talked about with all the different things. If it's UFOs or it's ghosts or time slips, why am I going to put this story out there? Granted, this is a Reddit user. Indeed. Indeed. We've talked about this before. The story out there doesn't mean anything. That's not the point.

[00:47:42] But why would I put it out there and risk being ridiculed? Once again, not necessarily talking about this one because it's anonymous. We don't really know who that user is. But that means nothing, buddy. That doesn't mean anything to anybody when they do it. But it should. If I'm going to be told. People get online and make stupid videos, do stupid things, and act stupid all the time without thinking about any kind of repercussion. Because it's not about repercussion. And again, I'm not trying to say that people that put these stories out there are looking

[00:48:12] for attention or they're looking for any kind of gain. Right? But sometimes people just like to tell stories, and that's fine. And that may be the case for some of them. But the show that we're doing, there has to be, you know, there is a critical element that exists. And what bothers me is, like, we talked about this before the episode, about some feedback they received. And trust me, we understand how feedback works.

[00:48:42] But if Andy's able to present stories to me of the fantastical unknown, and I'm supposed to go, yeah. No. Andy has to, like, Andy has to prove it the same way. Instead of Andy just saying a story and going, something happened. And I go, that's not how reality works. No. And then I have to prove it because nobody else lives in reality? No.

[00:49:06] We operate based off where we're at, what we're doing, and what we know, and what we experience every day. No, but people experiencing these time slips, that's not something that is experienced every day by everyone. Right?

[00:49:23] So the burden is on the people to prove they went through a time slip, not for the person who is representing the side of reality and everything that happens on a day-to-day basis to prove that reality is real. I'm presenting you with multiple stories of time slips that people have told. Great. Is that the general experience of people? It is not. No, but it is. There are more than one story.

[00:49:52] There's multiple stories out there. There's more stories than I'm going to tell you. So there is precedence for it. There is experiences that people believe happened to them. Can I say something? And, like, can you present to me a story where somebody goes, you're not experiencing a time slip. You are making this up. I'm watching you making it up. You just filmed yourself in a set. You understand that that's not the point, right? Andy, have you experienced a time slip?

[00:50:22] I have not. Okay. So if I'm going to take, here's the thing. Or have I? Shut up. We're going to get to that. Okay. But if there is 1% of the population that experience a time slip, and that's probably generous. Okay. And then you take the rest of the population. Okay. The majority, the vast majority, don't experience these things. And then a small group of people experience them. That's a problem.

[00:50:52] So I am working off of day-to-day, real world, what everybody experiences most of the time. Period. And there's a smaller group of people that experience something. Do I have to lead credence to the 1%, probably less than 1%, and go, that's right. They're right. We're all wrong. That's wrong. That's not the way any of this stuff works.

[00:51:19] So let me counter and ask you a question. Go ahead. What is the percentage of people that have experienced a lion in the wild? More? I mean, there may be a small percentage more than 1% of, like, it's still not a large percentage. But do lions exist in the wild? Buddy, that's a completely different situation because- How is it? Because- You're telling me a small percentage of people have experienced time slips, and I'm telling

[00:51:49] you a small experience, a small percentage of people- Wait a second. ... have encountered a lion. You said in the wild. Yeah. I've seen a lion. Have you seen a lion? In the zoo? What's the difference? I know a lion exists. But do they exist in the wild? That's stupid because I've seen a lion. I know for a fact a lion exists. Fact, Andy. I know it's a word that you don't understand or like very much, but fact versus fiction, right?

[00:52:19] Ah, let's not use that fiction word. Oh, yeah. You don't like that either. Because you haven't proven that it's false. But the burden of proof is not on me. It's on you. You're putting it on yourself. I'm just telling you examples. No, the burden of proof is what people experience on a day-to-day basis. It's magical. I'm not even telling you that these are true stories. I know you're not. These are just stories that have been told. I'm using you as a surrogate for the people that are telling these stories. That's why I'm pointing you. Well, I'm glad to represent the people. I'm here for you. I don't know if you know this.

[00:52:49] I'm here for you. The fringe and the- No, just the people. I'm here for everyone. What I'm trying to say is- I'm even here for you, Greg. Shut up. But the burden of proof is never on me. I can say, no, that's not real because most people, the majority of people, don't experience those things. I understand the ghost argument a little bit more because more people experience it, think they experience it. That, I'm a little bit more-

[00:53:18] I can be a little more off base on that. The odds of ghosts being real is higher than time slips being real. I would say yes. I mean, I'm not going to disagree with that. I would say yes, just because- Like, if we had to rank- More people seem to have- If we go down a list and rank things, yeah, time slips is going to be lower. I would say more people have had those, that kind of paranormal experience than they've had a time slip experience. So then you have to adjust the odds of it, right?

[00:53:45] I would say there's a lot of people that, despite the name of our podcast, believe in ghosts. I mean, there's a reason why you have a question mark at the end of it. I don't. And I don't have to. As we will discuss at the end of the episode, maybe some of these are mistaken experiences. All right, let's get off this diatribe. And then- We've got more stories to go through. So, lay them on me. So, this one takes place in France. Surprise. Yeah, back to France.

[00:54:15] So, Lynn and Cynthia Gispy and Jeff and Pauline Simpson have departed Dover, England on October 3rd. Oh, the White Cliffs of Dover. Yes. On October 3rd, 1979, not relevant, on a two-week driving holiday to northern Spain. One night, they were looking for a place to stay in southeast France, near the town of Mont-Lemar. I'm sure you nailed that. French.

[00:54:44] They come to a motel, but it had no vacancy. So, the staff suggests that they head down a road to find a different hotel. Soon, they come upon the small town of Mont-Lemar. Ah. It was filled with old rundown buildings and signs advertising an old-style circus. Finally, they find a hotel next to a police station. The hotel was filled with old wooden furniture and no modern conveniences.

[00:55:11] The bedrooms also appeared very old-fashioned with large, heavy bed frames and windows covered with wooden shutters instead of glass. The doors had no locks, only wooden catches. They were served dinner and breakfast in a small dining room. During breakfast, they noticed a woman across the room with a small dog dressed in a silk evening gown. Not the dog. The woman. The woman. Okay. You gave me a look.

[00:55:40] They took several photos of the interior, including a photo of Mrs. Simpson by a window. When they were checking out, they were only charged 19 francs, which was $4.48 in U.S. dollars. In freedom bucks. In freedom bucks. Or about $15 to $17 today. Okay. So, pretty cheap stay. Good, good stay. My stars yield. Yeah.

[00:56:05] Mr. Gisby is explaining to the staff he was paying for all four guests and they had eaten there. And they said, no, that's correct. That's all you owe. So, they continued on their way. They were on a vacation. So, they headed off to Spain. On the way back, they thought, let's stay in the same place. Yeah. It was cheap. It was convenient. It was nice. They fed us. We had a nice time, you know.

[00:56:34] Staff was five stars. The dog was cool. Very cool dog. Yeah. Not in a dress. I don't know what the dog was wearing. So, they get back to town. They turn down the same street, passing the same signs for the circus. Uh, but they never came across the hotel. Uh, they finally give up and, uh, they start asking for directions.

[00:57:02] And, you know, we stayed at this place just a week or so ago. Can you get us there? Nobody knows what they're talking about. Nobody has any idea that this hotel even existed. So, they give up, move on to another place outside of town. Uh, they were now charged 247 francs. Okay. For the same stay. Uh, that was $42 then or $252 now. What year was this again? Sorry. Uh, that was 1979.

[00:57:32] 1979. Okay. Uh-huh. So, I mean, even the $42 to $250. I mean, yeah. Uh, that's, you know. Inflation, man. Way to go. So, they didn't think much of it and they- Didn't think much of it? Well, I mean, they did. They thought it was unusual. The whole thing's unusual. Oh, that's fine. But they went on home. They went to go get their pictures developed. Guess what? What?

[00:58:01] None of the photos from that hotel exist on the real anymore. Weird. All the other photos, perfectly fine. Man, that seems awfully convenient. But all the multiple photos that they took- Inside of the- Inside the hotel do not exist. No lady with a dog, no windows. Can I ask a question? Uh- Why wouldn't they exist? I don't know.

[00:58:26] Because technically, if I took a photo of the past, I can understand taking a photo of the future and not having photos of the future. So, you're saying the photos shouldn't have existed- Yes. But if they didn't act correctly- Yes. People would disappear from the photos- Correct. While they were looking at them. That's- Yes. Because everything that I do, the butterfly effect, would change the future. I can understand the future being significantly affected about the smallest thing that I

[00:58:54] do in the present or the past. But if I go to the past and I take photographs, technically, the past should always exist as the past. I shouldn't affect the past. But why would the photographs not exist other than a convenient, stupid, stupid story that somebody made up? Well, you're asking questions other people didn't ask. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. What is the questions that other people asked? Why didn't the people that were working at and staying in the hotel- Question the way they were dressed? Question the way they were dressed.

[00:59:24] Question why they had a modern camera. Question why they were paying with modern money. Yes. Or were confused by the $4.50 stay? Andy. Andy. Don't worry about that. Well, I am worried about that. Andy, something happened. I'm glad you think so. Because I don't know if you know this, but I was about to tell you- Oh. That something happened. Ugh. Okay. What else do we got? Because I hate this. So we're going to go back to your favorite place again.

[00:59:54] We're going back to England? Jolly old England. Jolly old England. No, we're going back to- Why do the English love time travel? Oh, it's Doctor Who. That's- Oh, no. That's what it's about. So you're saying- Yes. They drove to a phone booth and accidentally ended up- No. And- You're adding too much to it. Just say this. Uh-huh. Wibbly wobbly. Timey wimey. That's it. All right.

[01:00:23] So we're going to go back to Reddit one more time and forget about the good doctor. Okay. Yes. Uh-huh. So this was, uh, posted by No Law at All six years ago. Uh, I would consider myself a rational man. Hmm. Great way to start. Do you already disagree? Great way to start. A thinking man. Oh. Not quite an atheist, but a man of science perhaps. I love all the qualifications. There's a logical explanation for everything that happens. Okay.

[01:00:53] Right? Oh, sure. Go ahead. Any sane man or woman wouldn't believe- He's given a lot of preamble. And it makes me trust him less. Sounds like something you would do. Anyway, sin is believing. Uh, and so when I was 16 years old, I saw some weird stuff. Okay. My dad had a very, uh, sorry, had every illness under the sun. You name it. He suffered from it.

[01:01:22] Spent a lot of his childhood in the hospital. Uh, at the time, he was too young and too stupid to realize that his father was dying. Don't laugh yet. I'm sorry. The ways of that. I know. Weirdly written, but okay. Uh, so slowly each time at the hospital, he- Oh, he's talking about himself. He's talking about himself. I thought he was saying his dad was too young and stupid. Oh, no. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. No, that was kind of weirdly written. You're correct. Oh, okay. I'm trying to read it as close to-

[01:01:52] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, I'm leaving out a little bit, but you know, getting, getting you through it. But, so anyway, he, you know, spent a lot of time there. Didn't realize, because he was so young, that it could be his last time with his dad. So, you know, one time he decides to wander off and he's walking through the hospital, uh, on this adventure, he, uh, his parents were meeting with the doctor.

[01:02:19] So he wandered off, uh, not caring where he went, uh, just somewhere besides the cafeteria or the, his dad's ward. Uh, it was around 10 minutes or so when I realized what looked, uh, that I was in, what looked like an older part of the hospital. It certainly didn't have the sterile shine of my dad's ward or the rest of the hospital. But no one stopped telling me I shouldn't be there.

[01:02:48] So I continued on. Not a thing seemed off to me until a nurse passed me wearing what I recognized as a fifties or sixties nurse's uniform. I knew nothing of fifties nurses except for what I had seen in movies and TV. So it looked vintage. Another one passed me, uh, pushing an old hospital trolley.

[01:03:12] I only stopped once to look into one of the wards and what I saw still makes the hairs on my forearm stand up. The floor was brown and checkered and I'd never been, I'd never seen so many beds in one place before in all my life. I saw an old man sitting up in the bed wearing a brown dressing gown over what I assumed was pajamas.

[01:03:36] He didn't see me, but I stared at this old man for what seemed like 10 minutes that I had never seen someone so sad in my life. Even now, as I write this, I can feel myself wanting to cry. This old man looked lost or forgotten. I don't really have the words, but I felt the sadness fall over me. I don't remember finding my way back to my dad's ward or if I had even turned back to, to see what I saw.

[01:04:04] I just have no memory of what followed. Blah, blah, blah. Like this guy looks like he's doing a creative writing exercise. He's trying to use adjectives and he's bad at it. Like this is my problem with all these things. So it doesn't seem like a good writer. So it doesn't seem like he's writing a story. Well, no, it's, it's like, and then I stared at the man for 10 minutes and seems like it was the most saddest man I've ever was. Like get out of here. Just tell me the story. Why does everybody have to waste so much damn time? Just tell me the story.

[01:04:33] Why don't you just tell your experience and everything that happened in it? Bad attempts at flowerly language. Just, it doesn't work. You're not a good writer. Quit trying to do it. He wasn't trying to write. He was telling his experience. He was trying his butt off. He was trying real hard and he failed. This is the problem with all these things. All these people think they're good writers. I'm going to go all the way back to Black Eyed Kids and Brian Bethel. He sucked at writing. He sucked at everything. Well, that man was a writer. Yeah, and he sucked at it. And this guy wants to be a writer.

[01:05:03] That guy was writing professionally. He's writing a fan fiction for the X-Files opening. He's just not good at what he does and he shouldn't do it anymore. That shouldn't be on the X-Files. That was not. It would, I mean, later seasons. Maybe the reboot. Everybody's, it's, I don't know. They're so interested in their own story other than telling what happened. This man, I'm an analytical man. And you would have wrote it to the point, but you didn't.

[01:05:32] You wasted everybody's time. That was terrible and I hate it. So anyway, he walked into the past in another part of the hospital. He didn't. Where the rooms were overcrowded. Whatever. No. If I have to deal with this. Okay. So that's the last story I'm going to bother telling you. Okay. I'm not going to waste your time anymore. Do you have more Reddit stories? No. I could. Okay. I could have more, but no, we're done with that. We're going to, we're going to talk about some of the causes.

[01:06:01] What could, what could potentially cause a time slip to happen or lack of medication, uh, overactive imagination. Well, an altered sense of consciousness. It could be. There you go. That, you know, they're tired, hungry. I can understand that. Uh, fear for some reason. There's nothing like starving on the streets of Liverpool. I mean, extreme sadness over losing a parent.

[01:06:30] Okay. Now we're, now you brought it down or yeah, maybe you're just using certain substances. You know, maybe it's disassociation or stress. Yeah. Okay. Get into a situation. Frank was a cop. Maybe he just had a, you know, huge workload there in Liverpool and. You know, I, I'm sure he wasn't dealing with Jack the Ripper at that time. Okay. But I mean, unless he slipped back to that time period too, we don't know. I get it.

[01:07:00] But not everybody deserves the excuse. You know what I mean? I can understand you being in a, in a situation and you know, things get hazy. Well, so far I'm trying to help you out. That's not helping me out. I mostly don't like the way that you're giving everybody an out. Like, well. Some people are just full of it, man. Like, why is that so hard to understand? Or. No. Why can't people just lie? Or. Why is that a problem? People lie every day all the time. Maybe it's not a time slip. Okay.

[01:07:30] Maybe it's what? Maybe it's the multiverse. Maybe. Maybe you're walking down Bold Street and you're in Earth Prime, whatever we're in. And you accidentally didn't step through time, but you slipped into a different time where. So you're talking about like where every choice that everybody makes results in a different. And so maybe there's a different store there in this multiverse or maybe there's.

[01:08:00] Because that also ties in close to the butterfly effect. Every decision made has a branching. Has a branch. And that branch. Leads to the creation of an alternate universe where you would have made that decision instead of that decision. Then every other one would have branched off and everybody else would have branched off because all the. Yeah. According to parallel universe theories that they. Yeah. Sit right up against each other. You could easily. I get it. But I don't think that. Step into another one. But I don't think that is. OK, cool. The theories exist and everything else.

[01:08:29] But it's more of like a thought exercise, not a thought process. A thought exercise. Which it's fine living that way because, you know, as humans. Right. We regret stuff all the time. We reflect on things and we go. Like ever starting this show with you. Yeah, exactly. Should have got a believer as my host. And this would be fantastic. Imagine how much better it would be. But I mean, like, again, that's kind of part of that. Like I always say the human experience. Right. That I talk about that a lot.

[01:08:58] You know, we we always go, oh, man, what if I would have done this differently? Right. And so but that that thought exercise like, well, if you did, it would, you know, create a branching and so on. So it doesn't really. But it still doesn't really mean anything. It's not a thing. It's something that affects us day to day because our decisions obviously, you know, change who we are and our surroundings and everything else. But it's.

[01:09:25] It's not reality like we we have to. We have to live in the if there are multiple universes, we don't experience other universes. That's a different version of us. Just maybe what I'm trying to say is just live in the real world, people live in the now, baby. Yeah. But also to all these people that want things, other things to exist. I can understand that. I can understand.

[01:09:53] And this is kind of about everything we've talked about, not just about this. I can understand people wanting to be like, oh, there's there's got to be more than I understand all those things. But sometimes the reality is a lot more depressing than what what magical thinking is. And we have to we have to just accept what we have. And you just go forward, baby. I really don't know why the multiverse brought you down so bad, but I'm just trying to be serious. We should move ahead to another theory then. I don't.

[01:10:22] You're really depressed about your alternate self who's living a better life. No. Riding on Bigfoot and that's not. Catching ghosts. That's great. No, but I mean, I'm just saying it's okay for for reality, you know, your everyday life to be reality. Stop. Stop all the other stuff. It's okay if your house is haunted. It's fine. All right.

[01:10:45] So another possibility we didn't really get into it with Bold Street, but this one is a big theory with that particular area is like electromagnetic fields. Oh, God. So EMFs. Underneath. Yes. Underneath of Bold Street, there are. Is it dying? Is it giant tunnel of ectoplasm? Well, there is tunnels.

[01:11:11] There are some tunnels that people don't know why they're there. And the bad energy of New York City has built up. There is also wiring for the subway system that crisscrosses under the street. Mm-hmm. And some people believe. And Vigo is. No, go ahead. Vigo the Carpathian. Tell spoilers. Oh. I'm spoiling Ghostbusters 2, which came out in 1989. Vigo the Carpathian. Some people might not have seen it.

[01:11:41] Well, that's their fault. I mean. All right. What's going on? If you've seen a ghost and you haven't seen Ghostbusters 2, what are you doing? Yeah. Come on. All right. What was it again? There's tunnels. So there's tunnels and there's some of them people don't know what they're for. So that's a whole nother thing. Okay. But there are like wiring that powers the subway. So the tunnels are for the subway. They don't know what they're for, but there's a big train that runs underneath it. No, there's separate tunnels that are under there.

[01:12:11] Oh, for the wiring for the subway. What are these tunnels for? Anyway. Yeah. Go ahead. Electromagnetic fields could cause. Oh, you're talking about. Like. Yeah. Something mentally that could cause something or maybe it fires up the time machine. machine. Oh, you think there's just a time machine underneath there somewhere and it just kind of spins up every now and then? Maybe. Maybe there's a phone booth there. I don't know. Again, with the electric, I doubt it's.

[01:12:41] I'm not going to speak on the electromagnetic fields. I think that's also a thing that nobody really has. Nobody's really pinned down exactly what the. If people are or not affected, what to what degree people are affected by it. There's a possibility that people could be affected by that mentally. And you know what I mean? And so I, but I can't. I can't speak on that. That could go to either side, whether it's just affecting you mentally or it opens up.

[01:13:10] Or opens up portals to. Who knows? Yeah. They could go either way. It was a little out of our depth. It could go either way. Because that's perfectly reasonable for dope for electricity. Open up a portal. That's completely reasonable. I mean, it's got to power something, right? Yeah. The subway. The subway. Yeah. I don't know what these tunnels are for. So some people believe that. All over the earth, they're just hot spots for things. Ancient people worship different areas.

[01:13:40] There's stonehenge, you know? Yeah. There's the 37th parallel, which is commonly known for UFO sightings and different anomalies like that. Is it just certain spots are more susceptible to weird occurrences? No? So what about residual hauntings? Oh, hey.

[01:14:10] We talked about that. Could it just be something we discussed? Living over and over again. So, you know, going back to the first story. They weren't really slipping back. This is more than a haunting, though. Because they're experiencing everything is different. Buildings. A building doesn't have. I mean, a building can't haunt you. What's inside the building haunts you. Correct. It's normal.

[01:14:35] So if I go to a bookstore and the bookstore turns into a shoe store, am I haunted by a building? Well, maybe it doesn't explain all of them. But the first example, maybe it would explain more. They did see some buildings that the other one didn't see. Yeah. To me, that doesn't quite make any sense. Because this is more like you're not being... Sometimes it seems like you're being transported. Sometimes it seems like you're experiencing it. And so I don't know.

[01:15:06] Residual haunting, from what you explained, sounded more like a person is still in the same space. Right? What that person was. And they're just repeating the same behavior. They're commonly did day to day. This is more like you were experiencing the past in one form. You're either interacting with it directly or you're seeing it. Much bigger than just your normal... Right.

[01:15:29] And that's why if we're going to talk about within these confined realms, like this confined area that you've put me in, it would make more sense. Not that it makes any sense. But it makes more sense for something where you are moving through time. So Greg completely crosses out. Hauntings, it's definitely not a haunting. It is definitely, according to Greg, a time slip of some sort.

[01:15:59] But not electromagnetically... That's exactly what I said. Stimulated. That's exactly what I said. That's what you all heard, correct? If you didn't, let us know. But I think you did. Good. So, what about something you probably experienced yourself? But maybe on a bigger scale. Déjà vu. Okay, yeah. Because it's definitely connected to the French in some way.

[01:16:27] And so this is as good a theory as any. Déjà vu is the intense, eerie sensation that a new experience or situation has been lived before. Yes, but usually by yourself, not by somebody else. Déjà vu is something that you go, man, this is really familiar. Once again, it's like the residual haunting, but escalated. It's déjà vu, but escalated. On steroids, baby. No, like, déjà vu is usually something mundane.

[01:16:57] It's not where everything changes around you. It is very mundane. It is something like, oh, man, I really, I did this just the other day. Because you probably did. It's usually something that is just a normal situation. Well, it's usually something vaguely familiar. I do not have déjà vu when I see Mary Antoinette in the grass sketching. That's not déjà vu because I've never experienced that before. Well, I think you saw her doppelganger if it was Mary.

[01:17:27] Oh, Marie Antoinette. I'm sorry. That was not French enough to be the real deal. Yeah, that was way off. It was her American doppelganger. Yeah, Mary. Mary Antoinette. Mary Antoinette. Oh, I'm going to edit all that out to make myself sound better. It's not going to work. I mean, you've already established that you believe in time slips. Oh, true. Okay. Okay. So, the last one. It's going to take a little scientific knowledge. Okay.

[01:17:58] This is not hooey stuff. This is... Not hooey stuff. Go ahead. Give it. As you would call it. Yeah, just go. Give it to me. But we know you believe in time slips. So, the block universe theory. Okay. Or eternalism. Have you heard of that? I've heard of it. I don't know enough about any of it. So, basically it says that all moments in time, past, present, and future, all exist simultaneously. At the same time. Yeah. There's no building to the future.

[01:18:27] It's all happening all at once. It's all happening now. Right now. Yeah. And so, it's a four-dimensional structure. Right. You just experience it literally because of the way that... The past is time for a human. It's your mind. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so, it's a dimension like space. Right. You know, it's existing, flowing... All times at once. Yes. No matter what. Yeah.

[01:18:53] And so, now is just subjective and a psychological experience, like you said. Again, this is not science. This is theory and thought exercises. Like, theory... The thing is with a theory... It comes from Einstein's... Great. Theory of Relativity. Right. Which is more about time and how time is... How time is experienced. Not so much about how everything's happening at once.

[01:19:20] It's that you can experience multiple things based off relative time. But... But if you take that into account, it kind of fits in with the multiverse. In a way... You know, you're slipping in between spaces. But that's cool. But that's not what I experience. That's what I'm trying to say, too. It's like, these things are important to put into context of the human mind and the human experience, which is... That's not what I experience. I don't experience flipping through time.

[01:19:49] And I would say most people don't experience slipping through time, either. Like, it's... It is because... You shouldn't. It's an anomaly. A thought experiment is a thought experiment. Something that's not tangible and something that we don't experience. Every day. That's what I'm talking about. Regularly, every single day. That's what we should be focused on, right? Now, you're talking about outliers and everything else. That's...

[01:20:19] That's fine. Like, I understand what you're saying. These are not common experiences, right? But everybody has to... Everybody has to operate on what they know. My problem is more so that people will go... There's this handful of people, like I said earlier, this handful of people that experience... I personally have an experience, but I 100% believe them. I believe exactly what they say. That's my problem.

[01:20:49] You don't have a frame of reference for what these people have experienced, other than what they have told you. Why do you believe everything these people have told you? I mean... To... Say that someone is not... Like, whole cloth making up the story, I don't necessarily believe every one of them. Alright, that's the end of the episode. Because I don't want to talk about time slips anymore. Um... So, go... Do us a favor. Go on to Apple Podcasts.

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