The Kecksburg Incident: UFO Crash, Folklore & Skeptical Analysis

December 9, 1965. All across the northeastern United States, reports begin flooding in of a large fireball streaking across the sky from Indiana, New York, Virginia, and up to Ontario, Canada. Approximately 40 minutes outside of Pittsburgh is the small town of Kecksburg. Residents here report large vibrations followed by a loud boom. Boom. Smoke is seen rising from the woods. Volunteer firefighters responded quickly, searching the area for a possible plane crash. But what they found was no plane.

Sam. Welcome to the no Such Thing as Ghost Podcast. My name is Greg. You just heard Andy in the intro talking about what he told me to refer to as the Kecksburg incident. If it's your first time listening to the show, I am a skeptic. And, Andy, how would you describe yourself?

I am someone who wants to believe.

I like it. All right, so what is the Kecksburg incident?

So we start out on this evening, approximately 4:44. The FAA starts getting reports of a fireball in the sky. There is clearly something coming across the sky going from northwest to southeast. Pilots are calling in, civilians are calling in. There is a seismograph 25 miles southwest of Detroit recording shockwaves created by the fireball. So we clearly have something. Sky and Telescope magazine has been in publication since 1941. It is still currently a publication. It's combined with a couple of other magazines. It is an amateur astronomy magazine. So it's a actual scientific magazine, and it did report this. So something did happen. No, nothing so far.

Yeah, nothing so far. No problems. Was the shockwave. We say shockwave, do we mean like a sonic boom?

Sonic booms were reported.

Okay. Because moving through the. Like, if it hasn't landed yet, and if it's making its way through on its trajectory. I didn't see there being any shockwaves from that.

Most of the.

I don't know. I'm guessing.

Right. Most of the sonic booms were reported near the Pittsburgh area. Okay, so near where the actual crash landing was reported.

Okay.

Because Kecksburg is about 40 minutes outside of Pittsburgh.

Gotcha.

But across Michigan and Ohio, there were grass fires, metal debris all across the area. We're looking at all of the northeastern United States. There were reports of something.

Okay, can we circle metal debris? So what do we mean by metal debris?

Metal.

Metal in its makeup, like it is iron or like, do we have specifics on what kind of metal?

I don't have specifics. Just debris. There was debris found, fires caused.

Okay. Because there is a difference between the makeup of something that is extraterrestrial, like, you know, a meteor. A meteorite that would fall to earth. That would be maybe of iron. That would be its makeup. It would be metal. But there's a difference between machined metal. Something that you would say, like, oh, it was steel, or. Or whatever. If it was something that was an iron makeup. Right.

Now all of these reports are just. All of the metal debris reports were just associated with the grass fires.

Okay. Okay. So we don't know the point of origin that. That debris could have hit a tractor or something.

I don't know.

Right. About Kecksburg either, so. Right.

Kecksburg is a mostly town.

Okay.

Very tiny town.

Okay.

All right. So the first reports in the Kecksburg area, Bill Bullobush claims he saw an object turn around in the sky and then crash into the woods.

Okay, can we. What was his name again?

Bill Bullobusch.

I love it. What a great name.

I mean, it's.

If we're gonna take. If we're gonna take a pause, it's gonna be for a great name. And I love that name. Billabush.

Bullebush.

Bulla.

Bulla. B U L E B U S H Bill.

Man, I love that. All right, continue.

I'm sorry, I'm glad you appreciate his name.

I do.

I like it. So he saw an object turn around in the sky and crash into the woods. He drove out to investigate and he found a 10 foot ish. Acorn shaped object. It glowed, crackled, and sparked. It scared him, so he left.

Okay. That's what I do when I see something interesting. I leave. All right, what year was this again?

1965.

1965. Okay, so he saw a. An acorn object crash that was sparking.

Yes.

Right. It was on fire.

There was fire.

Okay, we know there was fire. All right. But that's. Okay, go ahead, continue, because I'm sure there's more.

So then the volunteer firefighter department, they are on scene. James Romanowski was a part of that group. He came upon the object, also described it as acorn shaped. They thought it was a plane crash. So the entire local fire department, it's small town.

Yeah.

Handful of guys.

Yeah.

They found a metal object buried into the ground. He described what he saw was hieroglyphic like inscriptions in the object.

Okay.

Once again, acorn shaped. So multiple people are reporting the same shaped object. As the firefighters come into the area, they're immediately met with men in trench coats who say they are from the air force and tell them to leave the area. So we've got two separate accounts with an acorn shaped object that has Fallen from the sky. The Air Force never officially confirms that they were in the area. The firefighters say it was Air Force officials. We don't know. The military officials take this object and multiple people see it on a flatbed truck, covered up, it leaves town. Local newspapers report that the area was sealed off by the army or the Air Force and say police.

Okay, so there's already.

No one is permitted to this crash area within hours.

You may or may not know this. When were. When were these statements gathered and published by Mr. Billabush? Is that his name? Bulabush. Bulabush.

Billabush.

I'm gonna live with that name, and I'm keeping my head. And the firefighters, like, how long after the incident were their statements?

I mean, their statements were gathered and.

Published by the local paper soon thereafter.

Soon thereafter, yes.

Okay. Okay. And so here's one thing that I'll point out. If. If the local media couldn't figure out if it was the Air Force or the army, that's some bad reporting problems. That's. That's an issue also.

Reflects on whether it was actual Air Force or army or was it just government officials?

Right. We don't. We don't really know we're going to.

See that in a lot of these UFO incidents where people are on the scene that are officials.

It's weird because if I'm an official, right, I'm the fire. I'm a firefighter. I've already given a description to the paper, and then I. You know, there's certain questions that you should be able to ask as a journalist. Okay. Do they show you identification? Do they do this? And the fact that should have been your confirmation is the fact that, oh, yeah, they came in, they showed me their badge. It was this. It was this. Like, there. There seems to be some holes and some bad journalism that's occurring so far.

Well, I don't think it's the journalism. You're going to see that in all of these. Was it the Air Force, was it the army, or was it just the US Government?

I understand that giving a cover story, I get that. But there should be able some. Like, if I see a guy, if I see like three guys in a TR. Trench coat, I'm not. They're not gonna walk up to me and just go, we're with the Air Force. Don't worry about it. There should be something specific associated with that, such as identification. That's just one little part of it. But yes, you better. You know I'm right. They're gonna show identification, identify who they are. Now, there's a lot of other stuff that's.

It's also a developing situation.

I get it.

And the firefighters were just their first responders there. Yeah, they were first responders. They're looking for people in danger.

Right.

They didn't see people, so they didn't have anybody to help. And then they were.

There are fires, which is in their purview.

Well, the fire. The fires you're looking at are. The fires I were describing were over multiple areas.

Okay.

This, Kecksburg is a singular incident. That's a separate incident from, like, There were. There was a fireball going across the sky, and then there were fires.

There are fires. Plural.

Plural.

Okay.

Across different areas.

In Kecksburg, there was a crash.

They.

Fires.

Another place, they thought there could have possibly been a plane crash, so they responded.

I get that. No, I understand that because they got reports. It sounds like there's more. So continue. Because if there's fires in multiple different places, then we had debris landing in multiple different Causing fires.

So I was just establishing that there was an incident.

Okay.

There was.

I'm interested in other areas.

A fireball that went across the sky. There were fires. Those were all contained.

Okay, Continue, please. Please.

The Kecksburg incident itself was a reported sonic boom, a reported crash, and people responded to it. They thought. The fire department thought there was a plane crash, so they went out there.

I'm not.

They were sent away.

I'm not arguing anything about firefighters being there. I'm trying to establish if there's a fire, firefighters are there to extinguish a fire. Well, you're telling me that there's no reason for the firefighters to be there if there's things actively on fire. That's the reason why.

No, they just responded because they were first responders.

I get it. But if there's a fire, firefighters put out fires. Am I going crazy? Just continue the story.

No. Okay. So all across the area, there were reports of men who warned residents not to discuss what they saw. And for days after, military officials turned people away from the reported crash.

What does military officials mean?

That's bad.

Don't know. It's. No. See, this is part of the problem. I'm a journalist, and I. If. If I'm somebody that's in. You know, I'm in the town of Kecksburg, and they're knocking on doors and telling people not to visit the area, which is a weird thing to do. If I already have the area cordoned off, why would I go door to door and Say, don't go to this cordoned off area and I'm not going to identify myself.

They just had it roadblocks. And you can go to the area where the crash was.

Okay. But they should know what kind of military. Here's the biggest thing. It's not going to be all men in trench coats. They're going to be guarding a roadblock. It's going to be guys in uniform, National Guard or something like that.

Right.

So it'd be pretty easy to identify the National Guard. I'm sorry, ma', am, you can't go here anymore. You can't go to this area. It's been cordoned off.

It's mysterious because it was just continue people in uniform saying don't come here.

It's pretty easy to figure out who's in uniform. Oh, I'm a journalist. I pull up. You're not allowed in this area. Is for your own safety. Okay, thank you very much. Are you National Guard? Okay. I'm writing a news article. I would like to know who I'm speaking to. Oh, I'm so and so with the National Guard. Not unnamed military person. Oh, National Guard has been stationed at.

And that's where we get problems later on.

Okay. All right.

Because we have people who late as late as 2003, the Coalition for Freedom of Information sued NASA to get info about the event in Kecksburg.

Okay.

The Sci Fi Network even backed this lawsuit.

Okay.

And NASA agreed to search its records and they denied that any man made craft crashed in the area. That's the only information they would give in 2005. They said it was a downed Russian satellite, but records have been lost. So basically they're saying we don't know.

Okay. I mean so a satellite would make some kind of sense. This is 1965.

Right.

So we're right in the midst of.

So if you're looking at 65, yeah, there's definitely space exploration going on and. And satellites being launched and still tensions.

Between the United States and Russia. It's would seem weird for a satellite. I mean I can understand debris making it through if a satellite. Because this can be a low earth orbit. Right. And it's going to burn up on re entry, but not totally and completely. There's still going to be debris that hits the ground. Somebody says hieroglyphics. We're dealing with a small town. I'm not going to presume their education, like, you know, experience, but they probably haven't like ran into.

Right. You might not know Russian.

Yeah. So it's Going to look like crazy hieroglyphics. Like, that's a weird R. That's not a nor, that's not American R.

But it's also described as acorn shaped, which is problematic if you're thinking satellite, but.

Okay, I'm not gonna pretend to be an expert in here, but I can poke some holes in some of it. Because if something looks acorn shaped, you gotta think something that's in low Earth orbit that is entering the atmosphere. Right.

So it could be just pieces of it.

Well, it could be severely deformed. Correct. It's hitting the ground too. It's gonna have an impact. I would expect it to be in more pieces than a solid acorn. I don't know if he means acorn shaped. How is it fully acorn shaped or does it have somewhat the shape of an acorn? But it's also on fire. CRACKLING it's severely damaged, so it could be deformed once it hits the Earth.

The fun part about it is, sure, if you go to Kecksburg now, which they have a festival, they all do. I mean, you should celebrate it. If you have a small town and you have an incident, why would you not want to make money off of it? So if you go to Kecksburg now, they have an acorn. An acorn shaped exhibit. That was a prop.

It's like a lame Epcot kind of.

It's on a big pole on a hillside in town. It's actually from season three of Unsolved Mysteries, where they had an entire episode dedicated to the Kecksburg incident. They made a proposal and they left it there. So the town kept it for a while. And as of 2005, which was the anniversary of the. On the anniversary of the incident, they took it and displayed it. And it still sits there. Now they have a festival every year that is put on by the volunteer fire department. And it's a fun thing. Now, obviously, you're gonna, you're gonna take this and run with it.

Well, yeah, I mean, that's what people do anyway. It's a. It's a, a fun story.

So if. If you happen to be in the area in, in July, feel free to stop by and support them.

Yeah, sure. I don't have a problem with that. My biggest thing is I looked. I looked at the picture of the.

Acorn ufo, which is a TV model.

Yeah, but gathered from my guests. Put together by the eyewitness account.

By the eyewitness account, yes.

It could be so many different things. You know, you're in the middle of the space race, right between Russia and the United States, there could be so many things that could have been launched or crashed or fell down. There's. There's so many other explanations than. And this is the problem with all of it. And I'm not going to go on a rant, Okay. I know maybe some people are tuning in for me to rant and there's going to be plenty of episodes for that to happen. You probably already heard a few of them.

And if you're waiting for that, just give it a couple of minutes. But finish.

There's so many other possibilities. And this is part of my issue with everything. It's the quickest, dirtiest way to get to something extraordinary. When you don't need to go that route. When that route is unneeded, you can just go. It could be a thousand different things. Now, this is 1965. It's a small town. So word gets around and you play this game of telephone and then it builds up into something that it doesn't need to be. It's a. I'm assuming it's kind of a sleepy town. Not a lot happens.

It's very small.

So things get sensationalized. And then like with all of these things, the narrative takes hold. Right. We start to embellish and we start to turn it into something. And then we end up to the point now where it's like, oh, aliens crash landed and Kirksberg Kecksburg, whatever. When we, we never had to think that route. We don't have to. And this is in, this is in the height of the UFO stuff too. Right? Right. Like this is.

We've got, we're past Roswell.

Yeah, we've already got all these things on.

Everybody knows about Roswell, like, and there's been multiple incidents that we'll probably discuss in the future that have already happened.

So people are primed up and ready for this. Right.

And it could be something as simple as a satellite. The space race is already on. We've already started venturing into outer space. It could be just a meteorite.

What happens if it was something that was launched in that might have been a test device for reentering their atmosphere with astronauts?

It could be something top secret that we don't want everybody to know about. So obviously they're gonna come.

If you think about it, the reentry vehicles are kind of like conical, like a flat, flattened out cone almost that contains astronauts that usually would be safe landing in the ocean.

And it, maybe it was problematic, maybe it didn't.

It could have been manned. Which is bad.

Yeah, which is very bad.

Could have had maybe like a monkey in it or something crazy. Or, or it could have been just a test flight, like. And then something veered off course. Like there's. There's so many. There's so many other plausible explanations for it. And then we jump again to that conclusion that it's. It's gotta be aliens. It is a ufo. It is an unidentified at one point flying and then crashed object.

Right. I'm glad you said plausible. Okay, because we're gonna go to the far out.

Oh, boy. Implausible. All right, now why?

Because we have to. That's what we do here.

All right, all right, go ahead, tell me. Hit me with it.

Are you familiar with Nazis? Are you. You know what the. We know what Nazis are.

I'm aware of Nazis.

So that's We're. We're looking 20 years, early 1965. Why are we gonna go. We're gonna go 20 years earlier? Sure, 20 plus years earlier.

The Nazis had a spaceship? Is that what you're gonna tell me?

They had a bell then. The Nazi bell.

Okay, I don't know of this.

Are you familiar with the Nazi bell?

I do not know what the Nazi bell is.

Okay, so D. Glock. Have you heard of that?

It sounds familiar. No.

Okay, well, you're familiar with Hitler.

You can't say, ask me about familiar Nazis. I say yes, and then ask me.

If I'm familiar with Hitler, if I.

Know what Nazis are. That's ridiculous.

Apparently Hitler was very infatuated with the paranormal, with aliens, with religion, with all of these things.

Yeah. Huh.

And so he had apparently gone out and sent his scientists in search of the supernatural.

Yes.

Okay. It is supposed that he found some of these things.

Okay.

Okay, you're okay with that?

No, but go ahead.

Well, the Nazi bell was supposedly one of these things that he found or invented.

What is the Nazi bell? What is it supposed to be?

It could have been.

Oh, God, here we go. Conjecture. Go for it. Give me all the conjecture. It could have been. It might have been people that maybe. This is all I get.

Was it alien technology?

Why would it be alien technology? What proof do we have? Is there a picture of the bell?

We don't.

Then why? Who made up the story about them?

But there was.

Don't tell me you're going to believe a Nazi story and what the Nazis said. If you're going to give me a first hand account from a Nazi, I'm going to lose my mind.

We have Proof that we took Nazi scientists from World War II.

Yes.

Brought them to America.

Yep. True.

And we know that. That they were working on technology.

Correct.

That's why we brought them, like, guns.

And bombs and stuff.

They were more advanced than. Their tanks were already more advanced than us.

Okay.

They had these.

Our. Wait, this is.

They had missiles that were more advanced than ours.

They weren't that advanced.

They were, but they were ahead of us.

But. Well, okay, all right. I already know where this is going, and I'm gonna cut it off.

Project Paperclip was.

Yes.

The. The project where we went in and got their scientists.

Yeah.

And brought them to the U.S. yes. It's just an assumption that they were ahead of us.

It's.

The Nazi Bell was supposedly one of those projects that they were ahead of us on. Do we know what it was? No, it was purported to be a people.

Yeah. Somebody made up a story, but go ahead.

No, they were definitely ahead of us.

These are stories that are brought up from secrecy, and I understand where they come from. Right. There's classified things you don't know about. So people, they. They create a story because they don't know the entire truth. I get it. You're filling in the gaps. I don't know. So it. It could be all these. But you could say whatever you want to these stories. Oh, there's classified stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They spliced a human and a cow together so that we could get.

Well, we're not talking about that.

I get it. But there's all kinds. There's all kinds of random things that you could say and attribute it to that. If you don't, there needs to be a leak of some sort, an actual leak. We get a lot of those now, and I'm sure there's probably a lot of them. Then there needs to be more information. I can make up all kinds of fantastical stories, which people actually do all the time. I don't know if you're aware of this. And they attribute. Who all these.

Name one.

All these people.

Name one.

Shut and then.

No, name one. Go ahead.

What do you mean? Name one.

Name somebody who made up a fantastic story.

If you don't have to name anybody, I don't have to name anybody, so let's not do that.

Well, we're even then.

Yeah, but what I'm trying to say is you can create a story, whole cloth and attribute it to it. Project Paperclip, all these things. And just because maybe a Nazi ordinance was slightly more advanced than ours, they weren't out there shooting laser beams out of tanks. This is not that kind of thing. They didn't have microprocessors back, you know, they didn't create something before it was created like that. It's making a better weapon than you. Making a better car engine than you. Doesn't mean that aliens came down and we're like, that's how you make a car engine. That's how you make a. No, because they're not that much more advanced. It was all just engineering.

This is just all theory.

Of course it is.

The connection between Kecksburg and the Nazis is not there. Nazi bell. Because it was a bell shaped craft. When it was supposed to tell me. When the story seen.

Can you tell me when the story of the Nazi bell first kind of surfaced?

What was the first time that somebody.

Talked about the Nazi.

First time?

Was it 1966? Because I'm going to lose my mind.

No, it was 2,000. So you're safe. You don't have to lose your mind.

No, I still gotta lose my mind. Because somebody, again, is creating something else, whole cloth out of nothing and attribute it to something. This is the problem with these stories.

I'm just saying. No, it was a bell shaped craft.

Created by somebody in 2000.

Could have been a time machine. Nothing. You just. Silence. Or it could have been alien technology, you know, Listeners. Nothing. Dude, listen.

No, no, wait, wait, wait, wait. Let me. Let me just. Let me speak my mind. Wait, wait. I'm not done. Listen now, listeners. I was really. I went back and really listened to. To the previous episodes. Okay. And I was going, yeah, you came across a little rough, okay? I'm very passionate about not believing in things. It's weird. And I want to. I kind of made a resolution to myself. I want to go, hey, you need to give things some kind of fair shake. Even if you don't believe in them. You need to be a little more open to things. And I'm trying to play well within the space that we've kind of created here. And then I. I get told stories like this where it makes me regret nothing. Where I have to. I have to be the way that I am because of the ridiculous things that are said. So let me recap. Let me just recap. In 1965, okay? And Acorn crash landed.

Something.

I'm not done.

Something. Definitely done.

Something crashed.

An acorn crash was a fireball.

Let me sum it up. Andy. Let me sum it up.

Go right ahead.

An acorn crashed.

You're simple.

In a small town, in a small Town in Pennsylvania. Okay. Then all of a sudden in, in 2000, in the year 2000, somebody makes up a story about a Nazi bell and then they attribute it to a story in 1965 about an acorn crashing. And then they go, it's a time machine. I hate all of this.

Well, we're just putting pieces together. There was 100% something that streaked across the sky in 1965.

I'm not even going to debate that.

I'm not even going to 100% something. But there was definitely something.

That's great. There's all kinds of things that crash land. All the. There's all kinds of.

We're just hypothesizing after the fact. What. What could it have been? There was definitely secrecy. There was definitely something that crashed. There was definitely fireballs and there was definitely a crash.

I'm not. I will concede all those points.

So uh huh. Go ahead, put the logic on in this secrecy. Could it have been something more people? Was it a meteor? It could have been a meteor.

Was it a test? Test ship? Some kind of test?

Was it a satellite? We don't know because nobody wants to tell us. Huh.

And that. I want you to give me the next what if to that.

So could it have been a Nazi time machine?

I hate this so much. Why would it be? But just because you don't know something.

I'm not saying it is a Nazi time machine. Nobody is saying 100% it's a Nazi time machine.

It's irresponsible to even bring it up. Like it, it's not that. It's obviously not the answer.

We're just saying that something crashed. They said it was acorn shaped. Later on we found out that the Nazis might have had a bell shaped.

Why did we find that out? Andy? How did we find that out? How did we find.

Because Nazis.

God.

They said Wolfenstein.

Are we in Wolfenstein?

Now you're just jumping to weird video game nonsense.

I hate that you're. I hate what you're.

You're the one jumping to conclusions. I hate this so much. We're just. All right, let's put things together.

Back it up. So that could have happened in 2000. Somebody made up the idea that Nazis had a bill that was actually a time machine.

Reported by. Could have been reported by who?

Like, like why, why is that?

You're just jumping. You're saying that these things don't correlate. They might or they might not. We don't know.

That's not the way. That's not the way that anything works. I can. You can't just say stuff and then go, it could be. It's just not the way it works ever.

I'm not saying that the Nazi bell crashed in Kecksburg. I'm just saying people think that they could be correlated. Are they? But a.

Okay, the crash is a real story. The Nazi bell is a made up whole cloth from nothing story. Well, why?

Hitler was definitely looking.

Hitler was an idiot.

Craziness.

I don't think that's a hot take. Hitler was a crazy person.

Yes, I,.

We could. You could. Yeah, he. Okay. I think this, I think I get it. I think I get it. There's all that mystical stuff with the Nazis and I kind of hate saying Nazi sitting here talking about Nazis and Hitler. But there's all this like, mystical stuff around it, right? So you've got mystery that's built into that. Even though I doubt there was much mystery. I think it was just a bunch of crazy, I mean, zealots. And then you add on, right, you add on the, the actual story that we first started talking about. I don't know how we got to Nazis anyway. My brain is hurting. But then you add on the kind of secrecy associated.

I mainly added that just so you could go crazy.

We add on the secrecy on, on top of this, this finger quote crash site, and people's minds just start to try to fill in the gaps, even when they just make things up. This is such a great example of the way that humans work, right? It's, it's, it's, it's, it is the prime example of going, oh, man, but isn't that crazy? Isn't that suspicious? And then, and then I'm going to make up a story to fit within that story so that it makes sense to. For me, who is also crazy, that's, that's what we're at. We've, we've, you've given me, I don't know how many more layers you have left, but right now, no, that's it.

Like, we're, we're at the last crazy layer. Like, okay, it is definitely a crash. It is definitely. Well, it's not definitely a crash.

There's an incident that occurred.

An incident. There is definitely a fireball. We have pictures of the fireball streaking across the sky.

That's great. I can, I'm all for that.

So something did happen on December 9, 1960.

Doesn't mean it was a crash. Doesn't mean it was a vehicle. Doesn't mean it was aliens. Doesn't mean it was Nazis. Yes. There are all kinds of classified things. You know, there's all kinds of stuff we don't know about that our government does. I'm not going to argue our government. I'm not going to.

Shady.

It's not about. It's not about. It's not even a situation about being shady. It could just be a situation.

The situation may not be shady.

What I'm trying to say is it doesn't matter. The shadiness of it doesn't matter. Right. There are certain. You're not going to know everything and. But people run with stories. You get into conspiracy theorists, which seems like there's a quite a large overlap with people that believe in conspiracy theorists. I'm not saying that all of them are always.

We're gonna cross that.

We're gonna get every. We're gonna have that bleed over. I'm not gonna say that they are always. But there is some crossover. But you can't. This is the. Like I said, the problem. You can't just make up a story to make it fit. If you're making up a story to make up a story, that's cool. I have no problem with that and making up a story and then leave, you know, just for fun. Cool. My. I think my problem is more with people that go, yeah, that's it. Anybody who. Anybody who believes the most outlandish thing because somebody else said it to them, that's. I question their intellect.

Well, I mean, the whole reason that I brought this specific incident into the podcast is just because it is so fantastical. It started out basic and then became.

I was not. Yeah, it was like, okay, yeah, something weird. All right, cool.

Yeah.

Like, I don't. I don't have any answer. I mean, I don't have any answers.

There's no answer to this at all.

Like, there is an answer to the Nazi bell time travel situation. And the answer is that's not real. It's pretty simple. Well, no, no, no.

That's the fantastical part of it.

I get it. And I get that we don't know.

What Hitler found and what he didn't find.

No, no, no, no. My problem is people believe that that's a problem. That's. That is a problem.

But we're going to come back to this on the. On whether it's Germany, Whether it's Germany. England.

Oh, yeah, okay.

Whether it's the United States, whether it's Africa, there's going to be multiple scenarios that we come across here.

Here's. Here's what I'll say.

And, and whether you believe it or whether you don't, then I know you don't.

You don't think that's fine.

But it's going to keep coming up.

Whether it was what, Nazi Germany, time traveling?

Bell yes and no and no.

Here, here, here's what. This is, what I'll give. Could there be alien life? Sure. I think it's completely feasible. I think it's plausible. Right. I think the vast, the vastness of the universe, there could be a situation where there is now. I'm not done.

No, go ahead, go ahead.

What's the possibility of aliens traveling through the universe? I don't know. I think that's much lower. I think that's significantly lower. Unidentified Flying Objects. I'm cool with the, with that word. What's the new word they use now?

It's UAP.

Aerial phenomenon. Okay, cool. Because that could be. I like that, I like UAP better because it opens it up. Another just being a flying object. Flying object insinuates somebody is piloting something or it is to me.

Both of them kind of fit. Both. I do like UAP better because there.

Is also other kinds of phenomenon that. There's also things that, other things that happen.

Unidentified aerial phenomenon just means it's something in the sky that you don't know what it is. And really both of them mean that. I think UAP is a little broader,.

Which needs to be.

And it does need to be.

Now, I don't think we're not talking about anal probes and alien abduction here, but I, I don't believe in that. I think that's nonsense. I don't think that aliens, I don't think that aliens have crash landed here. I don't think there's been any visit from any extraterrestrial creature, period. And I definitely don't believe in time traveling Nazis. Again, all these things that I've just said seem perfectly reasonable. I'm willing to go, hey, there could be alien life, which just means life on another planet. It could be insects, it could be bacteria. That's fine, that's great. Do it up. But there is definitely not some kind of alien inspired spacecraft that's the shape of a bell or acorn or acorn captured and used by Nazi Germany to time travel and then to inevitably crash.

Land in Pennsylvania in 1965.

I don't, number one, I don't see the purpose in it. What were the Nazi, what were the Nazis going to. If this is such advanced alien spacecraft and the Nazis Got it. And they're like, oh, we don't know how to pilot this thing. And then they went back in time and then crash land, crash landed. Like, okay, but. Or they went forward in time. Not back in time. Forward in time. I don't, I don't understand the purpose of that.

Wait, you know what?

Have been really cool if they went. So you know, if the Nazis got in a bell, went forward in time and went, oh crap, we lost. And they went back in time.

Back in time.

Hey, Hitler, you should probably just go ahead and end it.

And then you don't think that Huey Lewis was singing about the Nazis and.

He was singing about Michael J.

85. You don't think he was singing about it happening in 1965 or 1942.

I don't know why you went to there. He was singing about Michael J. Fox.

You said back in time.

I get it. Yeah. I hate you for that. But this is the dumbest story. The, the beginning of it I was okay with.

And that you don't think this is the dumbest story. And you're not going to think this is the dumbest story.

I think it's.

I know you better not.

We went to a situation. Hey, the Black Eyed Kids episode, I get all bent out of shape. That's most. That was a stupid story. This one was dumb. This one was just dumb. This was not.

This is not the last time we're going to discuss aliens, Nazis or time travel.

That just makes me sad. It makes me very sad.

And it's definitely not the last time we're going to discuss something falling from the sky.

That's. I'm okay with that. But when you add the other stuff into it, I hated it. I don't want Nazi time traveling aliens.

Well, I wouldn't have added the other stuff if it wasn't going to irritate you.

Well, I'm glad we know where we're at. And you, you. Here's the other. Like again, I'm going to speak directly on. It's not to you. And I appreciate you not to interrupt me again.

Go right ahead.

This is what he does to me. You know, you just hear my outbursts. He eggs it on. He really tries to get under my skin. So the times where you hear him and he just. And I know somebody that doesn't know him and you all listen to me. Like, he seems really reasonable. This other guy seems crazy. The problem is you can't hear it necessarily always in his inflection. But he's intentionally driving me to Points that he. That's gonna agitate me. I mean, is that true? I mean, you already admitted to it.

Yes, I'm trying to have fun here with a reasonable story.

See, I don't want that. I don't want you to do that. I want you to play those games with me. You know, this is ridiculous. You've stated as much already. So I don't want you to turn around and play a game.

I might push it a little further.

I don't want you to play a game here, though.

I presented a reasonable story.

You know, you didn't present.

I started out presenting a reasonable story.

And I was fine with it. Did you feel. Feel any vitriol from me? No, there was none of it.

Well, we wouldn't have a good show if I didn't push it to the point where you were very upset by it.

I get it.

If I just told you about a meteor that crashed outside of Pittsburgh, I'd be like, cool. Then we would have probably been bored to death.

Yeah, but there's no way that I'm gonna believe something like that. The crashing of some kind of object. Okay, I'm on board. All of the kind of journalistic, but.

We gotta keep stacking. We gotta keep stacking.

We don't need to. I think that's the problem, you know, Would have been a much more effective story and a story that probably will resonate with more people. An unidentified object fell. We don't know what it is. That story on its own is so much more compelling than adding time traveling Nazis to it. That is. That is such a way. That makes it so easy to discount it.

Nobody said there were Nazis in Kecksburg.

That's what it sounds like to me. Why else would it time travel from 1945 unless it was.

Maybe they had the technology and it got out of control and it just flew away.

Okay, I'm gonna. I'll tell you what I'm gonna do.

And then crash landed.

I'm gonna make my own story.

24 Years later.

I'm gonna make my own story on top of this. That what you're saying is nonsense. I'm gonna make my own story on top of this and see how long it takes to catch on. Is the fact that there were at least two Nazis that lived in Kecksburg from 1965 on. And I'll give them a whole elaborate backstory.

Well, first of all, the government was obviously there and covering things up, so they would have taken those Nazis out of Kecksburg.

What if they escaped?

Why do you think they blocked the area off?

The firefighters were there for first. Nobody was there initially when it first landed, somebody drove up. Later. How long ago later? I don't know. So I can now create a story, any story I want to, from that time between the guy drove up or the guy showed up, that the property, that time space, that time frame in between, anything could have happened. So now I'm going to make up my own story. And the crazy thing is those. Those two Nazis that survived the crash had some kind of alien DNA in them. Oh, and then infected some people in Kecksburg. And that's the reason why in Kecksburg, if you look closely, everybody has gills behind their ears.

That's ridiculous.

Is it? Because I think it's just as ridiculous as time travel aliens. Well, what I want to do is send a whole bunch of people to Kecksburg to check behind everybody's ears because.

They have a festival next month.

Yeah, we'll go look at their ears. All right, I'm done with this. I hate it. Well, that's it for the show.

As disappointing as this one has been,.

Story was terrible. Anyway, tell me while I'm wrong, I guess you say that I'm wrong about this one. I don't. I don't know what we're doing here. I'm so bummed. I'm, like, really feeling really low energy. I mean, that one just sucked the wind right out of me. I couldn't even complain properly about it.

You complained plenty.

I get it. But I mean, that one just really just killed my will.

So many possibilities to it. I don't. I don't know.

I don't wanna. I don't know. All right, follow us on Instagram. No such thing as Ghost Pod. And follow us on Facebook. No such thing as ghosts. And Gmail.

No such thing as ghost pod@gmail.com. So please tell us. Bummed how you feel about Nazis?

No. I hope. No. No.

Well, I mean, I'm pretty sure we all feel the same about Nazis, but tell us how you feel about Greg.

Wait. I don't like the way this is going.

Well, that sounded bad, I guess, but.

I don't want this.

Tell us how you feel about the show. Tell us.

I mean, you can tell us about how you feel about the show on anything, and then. Yeah, just email us. Steph, I guess I'm so. Just tell us. Leave us. Leave us. Don't listen to Andy. Don't listen to. Well, you can. You can do that. But I'm just. I'm done with him. I don't want him to speak anymore. No, you're done. You're done. Now you're being baby. Also, leave us a review on itunes. Yeah, if it's not five stars, then I don't care. But leave a rating and a review.

If it's five stars because of me, go ahead. If it's five stars right here, write.

It in the comment right now.

That's gonna happen.

Five stars. Because Andy is better than Greg.

Yep.

Five stars. Greg's better than Andy.

Not gonna happen.

You can do that. But that's all we have. I'm sorry. I'm sorry for what he is subjecting us to.

I'm sorry that he's so bored buying Nazi alien fireballs.

Not bored by it. It's just when something like this is presented to me as real, that thing that people believe in, I mean, something happen. We.

I don't know why we know something.

You're incapable of having a serious conversation about.

We know something happened. You know something happened.

No, my problem. We're done with the episode. You. You. You've presented the most ridiculous episode, and now you're just.

I don't think this is the most ridiculous episode.

You don't?

No.

Yet or to come?

Both.

All right, that's the end of the episode. I don't want to talk about this anymore. We'll see you next time, Sam.