Aliens 101 Part 2

[00:00:00] November 7th, 2006, around 4.15pm at Chicago's O'Hare Airport. A United Airlines ramp worker looks into the sky above gate C-17 and instead of just the usual arrivals and departures, there is now a metallic saucer shaped craft hovering between 1,000 and 1,900 feet above the busy airport.

[00:00:24] He notifies the crew of flight 446 which was waiting to depart on the runway. Pilots, airline management and mechanics all witness the craft. Air traffic control doesn't pick up anything on radar. The craft hovers silently for several minutes before shooting straight up and cutting a disc shaped hole in the clouds above.

[00:01:36] Welcome to the No Such Thing as Ghosts podcast. My name is Greg. You just heard Andy in the intro talking about a UAP incident at Chicago's O'Hare Airport. If this is your first time listening, I'm a hardline skeptic. Andy, how would you best describe yourself? I am a believer. He is a believer. And this is also Part 2 of Aliens 101. It was such a chock full of information that we had to... So much information. So much alien information.

[00:02:06] We were disclosing everything for you. Oh, everything. Everything and anything. And there's more to come. We've got a lot to talk about on this episode, this part of it. Some more stories to go over, including this one. Did you find that one interesting at all? Kind of. I mean... So after it happened, the Chicago Tribune were the first ones to pick it up. You know, big newspaper up there. And they questioned the FAA.

[00:02:35] They kind of dismissed it at first and called it a weather phenomenon, which there is a thing called a hole punch cloud where, you know, basically the same effect that they described where the cloud just kind of falls out in the middle. And it looks like a circular shape in it. It's a real atmospheric event. There were multiple witnesses that were coming forward from different airport staff and everything.

[00:03:04] And so as the Tribune put a little more pressure on the FAA, they continued to look into it, but kind of dismissed it. Basically said, you know, we don't look into that kind of stuff. That's for your local authorities and that kind of thing. So nothing really kind of came of it. You know, nothing satisfactory. The Tribune kind of pushed it a little more, but ended up just kind of having to let it go.

[00:03:33] Yeah. A lot of times that, I mean, it just adds fuel to the fire, doesn't it? Yeah. When you get an answer and it's kind of dismissive. Right. And makes people think like, oh, we know what it is, but we're not going to talk about it, take it to somebody else. Yeah. So, all right. So, but where do we leave off from last episode? We got one more list we're going to get into, which is the alien species that have been encountered.

[00:04:00] But before we get to that, I want to say one more thing. Okay. Some ancient astronaut theorists believe. Okay. Great. Ancient astronaut theorists. So you're not familiar with ancient aliens. No, it's the guy with the crazy hair that says. Yeah. Yeah. Like the pyramids. So that's the line that they give before they feed you a big. Okay. Yeah. A big theory. A big theory of nonsense. Yeah.

[00:04:30] So I thought you were going to have a big reaction to that, but you're not familiar with it. So it's okay. I'm familiar with it. I just don't. If I would have grown my hair out and said aliens. Yeah. Straight up in the air like some kind of weirdo. Yeah. Then you would have been super stoked. Okay. So there are thoughts that there are ancient texts that describe possible alien visitations from the Sumerians and the Babylonian tablets.

[00:04:57] They document strange sightings, including black meteors and changing shapes in the sky. Okay. So there's the Romans. They described round shields flying in the sky. Okay. Cosser shaped. Right? Right. But not, I mean, they couldn't have gotten that from the round shape of their own shields. Like, part of it is, here's what I'm thinking.

[00:05:24] You see stuff that is either completely different than what you're used to seeing, or you see something that's like, oh, that makes sense to me. Right? That's something, that shape I can easily describe. Right? I can easily describe, oh, that's a triangle of lights. That is a flying saucer. Also, I'm a Roman, and I know my shield's around, and they're made of metal. What's that big thing flying in the air? The same shape of my shield. So you think they saw a flying saucer and just called it a shield? That's what I was saying.

[00:05:54] That's not really what I was getting at. That's what I was saying. Yeah. Okay. Go ahead. So, how about 1561, Nuremberg, Germany. Oh. Well before the Nazis, it's okay. Don't. It's all right. Don't talk about Nazis. We're good. We got trouble on TikTok about Nazis. Well, we just can't talk about them on TikTok. We can talk about them on here all we want to. I guess that's true. I guess we can talk about them on here. And it's not like we really want to. I was just saying, this is before that. What if I have to make a clip out of this to put it on TikTok?

[00:06:23] And you say Nazi, Nazi, Nazi, Nazi. Well, I didn't. I only said it once. All right. Move on. All right. So, there were sightings in Nuremberg where witnesses described a battle in the sky with spears and crosses and cylinders fighting each other and then objects falling to the ground. Okay. Okay. Again, was it something they actually saw or did they describe meteors or was it a sky battle?

[00:06:53] Sure. Okay. I don't know what to do with any of that. And then in 16th to 18th century Japan, there were reports of fireballs and wheels of fire moving erratically and sometimes described as drum shaped or round objects. Again, keeping with some of the shapes that we see today. If I'm not going to believe somebody from 2026, I'm not going to believe somebody from the 1500s.

[00:07:19] Well, it's just, you know, it's been happening for a long time. The same. I've never seen it. Types of shapes. That's great. Everybody would see a space battle. Everyone would see a space battle. Why are there no longer space battles? Well, maybe they've made peace. Okay. Anyway, so throughout the world, there've been many depictions of things in the sky possible. You know, maybe, maybe that shows right. I don't know.

[00:07:48] Maybe the history channel is spitting facts. I seriously doubt that. Well, that's your opinion. I've never seen a more incorrect name for a network. At one point, they strictly told history stuff. It used to be history, and now it's all sensational nonsense. Like, that is what makes the money.

[00:08:12] That's my problem with talking about sensationalizing everything in order to make money from it, because it has to be some form of entertainment. It's not lost on me that our show is also a form of entertainment, but it's very entertaining. The only way to get eyeballs on your stuff and to sell it so that you can get sponsorships and whatever is that you have to say the most off-the-wall crazy stuff and just make stuff up. Man, the history channel has nailed it.

[00:08:40] I can't wait till we sell out or I sell out. Maybe not we. Maybe just me. Sell, sells out so I can just get eyeballs on whatever I'm doing. It's going to be great all the money that I'm going to make. That whole thing sounded exactly like what you do every episode. No, I don't sell out anything. That's why I'm constantly— To make over-the-top statements and— About it not being true. I'm not going to sit here and sell it to people because I want it to be true. I want it to be real. And then I'm going to give you this stuff. I'm going to lie to you.

[00:09:07] I'm going to force-feed you something that works within my narrative just so I can make money from you. Go to no such thing as Ghost.Show and buy a t-shirt. I mean, do that. Do that, really. But not because I'm going to lie to you. Not because I'm going to tell you what you want to hear. Go ahead. I'm done with my rant. Are you sure? Yeah, we're good. I'll find another one later. All right. So earlier we discussed the recent disclosures and that maybe the government wants to give us information. Maybe they don't.

[00:09:37] But it's been brought to my attention that as of 2022, there have been 11 scientists and researchers all associated with nuclear research, with UAPs, and they've all gone missing or died. Okay. With some mysterious circumstances. So since 2022, right? Yes.

[00:10:06] So just in the past few years here, this list has been compiled now. Well, I want to bring up two things with that. Yeah. Since 2022 till now, that's a long time. It is. And for scientists, you know, or high-ranking military officials or whatever, that is a long period of time for people to pass away. Correct. You know what I mean? In usual circumstances, yes.

[00:10:34] And this is also very recent stuff you know we're talking about. We don't want to get too weird about it. Right. We're not going to, you know, make too off-the-wall accusations or anything like that. Yeah. We don't want to drag people's families into the unfortunate passings of their loved ones. And it's, to me, and I think also to Andy, it's, I get it. These fringe communities get a hold of it. They connect dots where there's no dots to connect, right?

[00:11:04] Right. Because things happen all the time, every day, to all kinds of people, right? Since 2022 till now, how many people in a different field not related to these things have died and or have gone missing? Like, that is a coincidence, right? A coincidence versus causality. It doesn't necessarily mean there is some kind of mass conspiracy, but we also want to be careful because we don't want to turn this into a conspiracy podcast, number one.

[00:11:34] And we don't want to turn this, even though we talk about conspiracies a lot. It's hard to navigate. I mean, it touches some of these things that we talk about. But you also don't want to seem like you're profiteering off of the passing of people or the traumatic events that those, their families have gone through. Right. You know what I mean? It seems super dirty in that way. And that's, I don't like talking about them.

[00:11:57] I know that Andy is like, oh, for completion's sake, we have to kind of go over some of this stuff because there are things that have been put out there. Yes. And they're not, we don't. So I will say, right, I know Andy's more open-minded with things. You know how I am. I will say, I don't even want to listen to these people. But we, unfortunately, it is wrapped up with inside of this bubble of all of extraterrestrials and whatnot that we're talking about.

[00:12:27] So while we do have to touch on it, we don't have to, we don't want to make it that we are profiting in some sort of nasty way from. No, no. We're going to tell the stories and, you know, I'll give you some of the facts around some of the disappearances. But we're not going to, like, some of the families have spoken out and said they don't believe that any of them are connected. Right.

[00:12:54] And then, you know, it's outside people that are connecting dots that. It's an online, it's online communities getting a hold of it. You definitely, like, there is coincidences. There are possible connections. You have to think, I've said it a few times in the course of this podcast. Some things are just random and get over it. Not everything has to be connected with something.

[00:13:16] If you take it in its own bubble and you only include the fact that there was possible disclosure and these people might have had something to do with it and then they disappeared, then if you could seal it off from just everyday, you know, deaths and disappearances, then. Right. And that's a bigger conversation about all these things because they are labeled as conspiracy theories. And we've talked about it before. I've said the exact same thing before.

[00:13:45] The human brain is always looking for patterns, right? Right. We can't understand that some things are just coincidence. So we take stuff and we connect the dots thinking, right, thinking that we are onto something. And then there's also this weird thing that happens, I think, too, with people is I'm seeing what other people aren't seeing. I'm the one that's putting it together. A lot of that stuff happens. Solves the mystery. Yeah. Don't even worry about that. But that is a weird kind of disclaimer.

[00:14:16] You know, we wanted to. We didn't want to get too nasty about it, but you go ahead and present it. You know, tell them what we know. We won't. Yeah. We won't get. And what those fringe communities are kind of attaching it to. And then I'll crap on it later. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's the basics of it.

[00:14:35] They're all saying that it's unusual that these specific people that may or may not have had some knowledge that was going to come out. You know, it's weird to them that these are the people that disappeared and, you know, died under maybe unusual circumstances. Some we don't know. They could still be alive. Some of them. The first one we're going to talk about is Major General William Neal McCasland.

[00:15:05] He's retired on February 27th of 2026. He disappeared from New Mexico. He's a former Air Force Research Lab commander. And his name appeared in the WikiLeaks emails regarding UAP research. So he's definitely connected to this area in some way.

[00:15:28] Supposedly, he just up and vanished, left his gun at home, you know, left most of his belongings at home. And it's one of those situations where people think he just didn't want to be found. He just made himself disappear. So he was definitely connected to the research of UAPs and could have had knowledge whether he's connected to the other missing people.

[00:15:59] You know, we don't know. So then Melissa Cascius, Los Alamos National Laboratory administrative employee who vanished on June 26, 2025. Also in New Mexico. And she left behind her phones that were all factory reset. I'm assuming she had a work phone, a personal phone, all that was left behind.

[00:16:23] So another, you know, possible researcher in this area that maybe didn't want to be found. Or if you're digging deep into it, maybe somebody wanted to make it look like she didn't want to be found. Who knows? And you're going to see the same thing on a lot of these. It's there's, you know, 11 of them over the past couple of years.

[00:16:47] Whether it's connected, whether it's not, you know, we haven't gotten much information after the original videos and stuff that came out. So here's the biggest thing. Here's the biggest. Okay. Uh, I'm going to get slightly political. But not overly political. This whole disclosure thing was a distraction. It wasn't meant to actually give you any kind of actual information.

[00:17:15] The information that was released, it was heavily redacted to the basically to the point that it was useless. Correct. I just know these things because of the news. Now, I didn't look that deeply into it, but all that, all those actions, if it is truly something that is covered up or if it's not, it almost validates people. That believe there is some kind of conspiracy. And because they're not giving you any information, they're saying they're going to give you information. Right.

[00:17:46] There's dots being connected to the disappearances of people that may or may not be related to it, directly related to these projects. And also the circumstances in which they disappear. Some of that could be called into question. Right. Because some of those things, there's, there's the factual nature of it. And there's the things that are put together by internet sleuths. Yeah. And we don't know who's coming up with all of these connections. We don't know.

[00:18:12] But I think the more important thing to understand here is sometimes you're being lied to about something else. Sometimes you're being distracted from what's really going on by giving you something else to focus on. That in itself is a conspiracy. It is. That's multiple people. For a whole nother show.

[00:18:35] That's why I want to exercise caution with people is going just because you're not, you're being, you're being given what may be. And this is a conspiracy theory on my part. You're, you're being given just enough to keep you focused on that. And focused on the potential. And just stretched out enough. Yeah. Stretched out over time. 2022, 2026.

[00:19:01] And that gives, as you're distracted about this and as you're distracted about this, it keeps you not focused on the things that probably really matter. And again, I'm not going to get too deep into anything political. I'm just trying to say is. This is. Don't be fooled by nonsense. This is not the island you're looking for. Exactly. Yeah. This is not. Maybe that's what's going on. There are, here's a way to distract people from this and they will jump all over it.

[00:19:30] People are not going to like to hear that. People have different political opinions. People have different opinions about what Andy just said about some island stuff. Cool. But also kind of don't be a sucker and fall for everything that's in front of you. Like, just don't do it. Because the same way as you think that maybe I'm a sucker for going, ah, that's not real. That's not real. That's not real. Somebody's lying. And I buy the not real stuff.

[00:19:58] You might also be a sucker because you jumped on this other stuff and you got completely distracted from what actually mattered. Right. And that's not to say that some of it's not fashion and some of it's not. I'm not even going to like, I'm not going to even qualify that. Like, but, you know, you also have to be careful.

[00:20:19] If you think you're enlightened, you think you're smart and you think you're onto something other people aren't onto, then you need to like pay a little more attention because you are easily distracted by other stuff. You've been fed things for a particular reason and you took it and you hook, line and sinker, baby. You went right for it. And finally, we're going to go down the list of possible aliens, possible beings, possible whatever they are.

[00:20:49] Okay. You might encounter if you had a UFO or UAP experience. Is this a giant catch all for all kinds of stuff? Uh, sort of. Okay. I've got several categories that we're going to go down and, you know, some of them, well, all of these have been described by somebody. Yeah. I mean, okay. That makes sense. So like, I'm not making these up. No. Somebody said something. It's kind of like somebody seen something. Somebody saw something.

[00:21:19] Somebody saw something. Whether it was a human or an alien or a time traveler. Somebody. Interdimensional. Somebody said it. And then they told the world, even though they maybe weren't supposed to. I don't know. We'll find out. On that note, we're the first race that we're going to talk about. I put quotes there because this one, some people think that they represent the creatures that are visiting us.

[00:21:48] Some people think they represent our wonderful government trying to silence you because you've seen something that you weren't supposed to see. Right back to it. Yeah. I know. Weird. Keeps coming up. So the first race we'll talk about is the men in black. Oh, yeah. We've heard of them. We've talked about them a little bit. Yeah. We talked about them a little bit. And like, uh, Kecksburg, right? Is that not supposed to be kind of like who was supposed to be showing up? Correct. Unnamed military personnel. Yeah. In trench coats and whatnot.

[00:22:18] Yeah. So usually. Yeah. Really? Can I say, like, that's the first time that I ever, I didn't know what men in black were. Until the movie. I didn't even know that it was an actual conspiracy theory. I just thought it was a comic book and then a movie. And then a movie. Oh. Okay. I had no idea that men in black were some kind of conspiracy theory government thing. Because again, I'm not into this stuff. Right. Right. This is Andy telling me stuff.

[00:22:48] A lot of it for the first time. Yeah. Some stuff I have a passing understanding of or came across it in other kinds of entertainment as in the men in black. But I had no idea it was a real thing. I thought it was just made up for that. That movie came out in 1997. The first time the men in black were ever mentioned in one of these situations that we know of anyway was in 1947. Jesus. Okay. Yeah.

[00:23:19] Yeah. So the Maury Island incident, Harold Dahl claimed that a man in a dark suit threatened him after he reported UFO debris falling. So that's the first instance. So then in the 1950s, Albert K. Bender solidified them into the zeitgeist. He wrote about them in a couple of books. But most importantly was Gray Barker.

[00:23:44] In his 1966 book, they knew too much about flying saucers where he referred to them as silencers. But they all get the same description. They're all similarly looking men dressed in all black, usually wearing sunglasses, usually pulling up to someone's home in an all black car. You know, no markings, anything like that. The sunglasses thing, was that part of the earlier one as well?

[00:24:13] Or was that more of the 60s explanation of the men in black? I believe there's not really a whole lot of detail in the first one. He just says a man dressed in all black. Gotcha. We'll probably get into that at some point. But it really became prevalent the more you move on. The more descriptions you get out of it, the more detail. Sometimes their clothes are a little bit ill-fitting. Sometimes their facial features don't quite look right. Okay.

[00:24:41] So that's where they get the idea that maybe they're not human. Maybe they're representatives of whoever was spotted in the ship. And, you know, they're trying to cover it up from their end. So we're not even necessarily saying they are a government. I'm putting so many things together, too, about the movie. It's all making sense to me. Well, that's one. The movie is kind of one of the theories that it's a government agency that is sending people.

[00:25:10] But also there are like aliens on the payroll. Possibly. If you combine the two, it could be that. Because they're saying it's like it sounds like some people are going, that's an alien in a man suit. Like an alien and not the other guy. It's kind of a combination of the movie because it was humans that were working for the men in black. But it was also aliens working for the men in black. Because there were some aliens. Yeah. And so it sounds like it was like, oh, you put an alien that somewhat disguised themselves as a human.

[00:25:39] I believe they said Michael Jackson was an alien in the movie. He was just ill-disguised. Yeah. But there's also people that work for the men in black that are not exclusively women. No, I'm just expanding on. Yeah. But I just thought that was like, oh, it's a funny premise. I didn't know that it was like. Some people think the men in black were also just aliens. Like they were the ones that were in the spaceship. That movie was about some things that happened. Apparently. Okay, cool. Great. I don't want to hear that. Move on. I don't want to get into that. All right.

[00:26:07] I don't want to get too mad about that nonsense. The documentary Men in Black. Starring Will Smith, an actual alien. Yeah. And Tony Shalhoub. Don't forget Tony Shalhoub. Don't forget about Tony Shalhoub. Anyway, moving on to other races. People describe robotic alien races. Okay. Techno-organic. Sure.

[00:26:36] Robotic is a wide description. It could be anything. Yeah. One example is Falkville, Alabama in 1973. They described a seven foot tall creature dressed in a shiny tinfoil suit. And it was moving mechanically. A tinfoil suit. I mean. Like crushed up tinfoil. I like. It was probably wadded up. It was wadded up and just like. Stick them together. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know why they said tinfoil.

[00:27:06] There's a weird thing where it seems like a lot of times media depiction influences the sightings. Not the other way around. Because there is a lot of media that comes because of sightings. Like. You know. Like the Roswell incident. Like all that stuff that happened like in the 50s and everything else. There was all kinds of media that was spawned from that. Right. There was all kinds of like invasions and all that stuff. Right.

[00:27:31] But it also seems like as that media kind of continued on its own through like pulp comic books. Sci-fi comic books. Sci-fi movies. Books. Just in general. Like written fiction. That a lot of times you get to certain time periods. And it's like. Well now it's a. Now it's a robot. Because all the media. All of like the fictional media has gone. Oh. And they kept expanding on it. And then all of a sudden you start to see sightings like that.

[00:28:00] Well and we've kind of. It kind of works both ways. We've kind of talked about this theory. I'll go ahead and drop it in there since you kind of brought it up again. Like people are seeing what they know. And one of the theories as to why you know there's flaps of certain sightings. There's you know common sightings amongst a bunch of people. You know everybody has an idea whether it's from movies or whether it's from. Yeah lost in space shows up on TV.

[00:28:29] And all of a sudden they're seeing robot man. Right right. And the theory is that these beings have a technology or a mind control that you know kind of gives you you know a vision of not what's actually there. They're kind of covering themselves up. So yours you know the thought is that you know your mind is playing a role in that. So if you think an alien looks like a robot you're going to see a robot man. See I dislike that so much.

[00:28:59] That goes that goes back to the others that we talked about. Why is there always this extra level like complication? Well I mean that would. That would explain a lot of stuff. That just that's there's because somebody goes no. Or that they can tell you this is what you're seeing. It's just an excuse. Or that they can validate. Tell you that you didn't see anything. And you know back to the hypnosis you know their mind was wiped so they didn't know that they had seen these. There's always an out for every one of these things. It's always like well but you didn't see.

[00:29:29] I didn't you know you were didn't see what you were supposed to see here. That's not what you were actually seeing. There's always this weird way to explain yourself out of somebody discounting you. Or maybe it's just what happened. And so how convenient there is there's always this this out for me. I could always go oh yeah but you know you didn't see it because you don't believe in it. Like I believe in it so I saw it because I truly was a believer.

[00:29:54] It's it's it reminds me like the martial arts like fake like snake oil salesman martial arts. Where it's like I give you a death touch. And that one guy remember he got the crappy album by like an MMA guy or something. There's an MMA guy that travels across like China and whatever and like debunks traditional martial arts. And then there's like all these like no touch artists and stuff like that. And he beats the ever-loving crap out of them. And they always have some kind of excuse.

[00:30:23] Oh he didn't believe the power of G or his toe was up when I delivered the death blow. And that counteracted the death blow. Like there's always this way for shysters and bad actors. Maybe they just weren't as good at the death blow as they thought they were. No they are they are black belts that they they bought and put on and act like they were black belts. Some kind of made up secret martial arts that you find in the back of a comic book. I've said comic book a lot today.

[00:30:51] But like there's always this way to explain away why something is not what you said it was. There's always this angle out. Right. We talk about. That comes from both sides though. There's always an explanation as to why they didn't see that. We're going to get into the same thing that we say all the time. There's a complete difference between operating reality and if you go this is my day to day. This is what I see every day.

[00:31:20] Here's something unexplained that happened. Cool. I'm not arguing that events that are hard to explain don't happen. I believe there are things that do happen that people can't explain. It doesn't mean that other people can't explain it. It doesn't mean there's not an. A reasonable. Explanation. But just because you come up with a reasonable explanation doesn't mean that that's true.

[00:31:49] Do you trust everyone? I don't trust everyone. To walk into a situation and have the capacity or the understanding to explain whatever this. Do you trust some guy to come off off the street and go we got to do brain surgery bud. And to give you brain surgery. No you expect an expert to give you brain surgery. Because a layman doesn't know what's going on. I would prefer not to get brain surgery at all. Ideally that's the way that would go.

[00:32:18] But if you put somebody in a situation of things they don't have knowledge of. Right. And then have them explain it. Do you expect them to be able to explain it? There's been so many alien abductions that I'm sure that they know what they're doing. So I trust them. What the same. I'm talking about the aliens. I'm talking about the individual. Oh you're talking about the people. The people. I don't expect to have every person be put in a situation of something they do not understand. And they have no concepts of.

[00:32:48] To be able to explain exactly what it is. And be able to understand what it is. And so. They don't. So it might not be robotic. It could just be a suit. Don't do it. But what I'm trying to. I've lost the plot at some point here. But. It just. I don't know where I'm at. Go ahead. So. One more example that we're going to touch on. At some point. A very popular robotic example. Could be robotic.

[00:33:17] This one kind of bounces between a couple categories. Could be techno-organic. It could be many things. Is the Flatwoods monster. That's in West Virginia. What? Trust me. We're going to get to that. And you're going to love it. It's a monster. It's a robot monster? Well. It's called a monster. Because people don't understand it. I don't expect somebody that knows what a techno-organic organism. It kind of. Animal is. It kind of looks like. Like. A motherly figure. Actually. If you look at it. I don't know what we're talking about here.

[00:33:46] And you're not going to explain it to me. Are you? Oh no. Right now. Because we're going to do a whole thing. Great. Cool. I'm glad I'm not going to have anything to say back. Everybody else will understand. I'm glad that I'm the one in the dark. And I'm not going to Google it. That's what we do. I'm trying to get you learned it. Get me all learned it on the subject. That's what they say in West Virginia. No, buddy. I wouldn't talk too much smack. Well, he might be from a big city.

[00:34:16] We're still from Kentucky. From Kentucky. As they say in Kentucky. Yeah. Learned it. Yeah. Let's not throw the shade, man. All right. So the next category will be another big hit with you. Reptilians. Herbert Shimer in 1967. He was a Nebraska police officer. So he knows what he's talking about. Obviously. Yes. Because everybody that is in a position of some kind of power is. You believe them.

[00:34:44] He claimed he was abducted from his patrol car by beings in uniforms that had a winged serpent emblem on the left of their chest. What year was this again? This was 1967. Cool. He watched some Buck Rogers or something. He watched Flash Gordon. No, he was in his patrol car. He couldn't be watching. They didn't have cell phones in 1967. No, I'm saying he just. He read a Flash Gordon comic book and decided these aliens. Are they sparkly outfits? Does it say sparkly?

[00:35:14] No. He described them as having long heads, flat noses, and slit-like mouths. Great. They had great uniforms. Describe more uniforms. More uniforms. Were they sparkly? They were not sparkly. But they had an emblem on the chest. Yes. The emblem was probably a little sparkly. This is garbage. Well, what about the Vietnam soldiers that reported tall reptilian humanoid creatures in the jungle that were alien-like in nature? Nothing? No. Don't agree with that?

[00:35:44] These people were on alert. They were in the middle of a war. Here's my problem. There has to be sources. And there are no sources. I can find you sources that say good people. Right now, give me sources about the Vietnamese that saw reptilians. Find me actual sources. We'll come back to that. From a reputable source. Well, it was just written that these reports were made. That's nothing. So I can't give you a firsthand report.

[00:36:14] This is staying in. That's fine. Because that's the problem with all this stuff is you always go. I ask for sources. These are just supposed to be touching on examples. This is not. It's three layers deep. I didn't go in-depth into all these. I'm just giving examples on these. I hate it so much. Go. Next one. This episode would be three weeks long if I gave you reports on every single thing that I talked about. This is not for you. It's for the people. It's for the people.

[00:36:40] I mean, this part is for you to get you a little bit caught up on it, but not every detail needs to be given out in this episode. I get that. But still, you're making some extraordinary claims here. It depends on your point of view. Yeah. Now we're going to talk about insectoids. Oh, cool. Giant ants. Like, like. Ants. No. Mantis men. Cool. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry I said ants. How ridiculous.

[00:37:11] You're right. Mantis men is a lot more believable. They're probably upset that you called them ants. You want to know what? I don't blame them. That's specious to me. Now, these beings are usually reported as working alongside the other races. Like, they're just the worker bees. But they're not bees. They're mantis people. Aren't mantises, like, pretty smart and also solitary? Well, they're performing medical experiments. So, yes.

[00:37:41] You are getting good at this. They're the medical wing. Yeah. They're, like, their specialty is the, like, dissecting of or. Well, I mean, taking things out, putting things in. Weighing people's organs, putting them back in. Yeah. And all of a sudden, they're still alive and they're fine and no visible scars. Yeah. And, I mean. How did I predict that one? According to the X-Files, they're crossbreeding. So, maybe they're doing that too.

[00:38:07] Why is the X-Files brought up as a, like, media? I didn't say it was factual. I'm just saying, if that's what they're doing, then. Okay, great. Tell me more about the mantis people. Well, I mean, that's. That's it? Yeah. A new medical experience. Sometimes they just show up, you know, randomly on the side of the road or at a creek or something too. Just to stare you in the face and kind of look back and forth at you. And occasionally, they, like, weirdly disappear, but not completely.

[00:38:36] They have that weird camouflage thing that we talked about earlier. Yeah. Yeah. So, like, those are the camouflage guys, apparently. They just, they wave their hands and disappear. Great. All right. What else? This is a good one. The Nordic. So, these are typically described as being six to seven feet tall with athletic builds, long blonde hair and blue eyes. What?

[00:39:05] It's just a dude? I mean. It's just a Viking guy? Kind of, yeah. Their skin is usually a blue, gray or purple, though. Oh, okay. So, a little bit different. They usually, when you encounter a Nordic, they're not just, these aren't the probing guys. Is this just like a big attractive alien? A purple Chris Hemsworth? I think so. He's Australian, but he plays a Nordic on TV. Yeah. On TV? On movies. Yeah.

[00:39:34] On TV sometimes. But, like, these guys don't come in and they're not doing the experiments. They usually have a message. And it's usually concerning. Don't do drugs, kids. No. Not that important. Not the end of a G.I. Joe episode that a Nordic shows up. The more you know. Yeah. Yeah. It's usually focused on environmental concerns. Oh, so it's Captain Planet?

[00:40:01] Like the dangers of nuclear war. Wait a second. Captain Planet had, well, he had blue skin, didn't he? Yeah. So this, you're telling me. He didn't have long hair, though. But he could have cut it. He could have cut it. Box cut situation. He could have cut it. He could have stayed here. It was the 90s, man. So the Nordics are, like, just all concerned about the environment. They don't want us blowing each other up. Like. They don't want us, like, burning fossil fuels. Yeah. They don't want. They want us to recycle. Yeah. So Captain Planet. Yes. Okay.

[00:40:31] They want you to do better. I'll remember that. Nordics, Captain Planet. Got it. Uh-huh. Moving on. We'll talk about Nordics eventually. A lot of people are familiar with Valiant Thor. What? Thor again? His name is Thor. I nailed that. However. I was all over that. I nailed that. He's not from Asgard. According to the people that knew him, he was Venusian. Which. People that knew him? His friends?

[00:41:01] On Earth? His Earth friends, yes. His Earth friends. Yeah. He's from Venus. He had a place to stay. It was the Pentagon. Perfect. Makes sense. Yeah. Great. So they first became popular in the 50s. George Adamski was the first to write about them. He claimed to have met a Venetian. A Venetian. Venetian.

[00:41:30] Named Orthon in 1952. My name is Orthon. This is a different one. And of course, he warned about nuclear war through telepathy. I forgot. They also have telepathy. Of course. They don't need to actually speak to you. They don't need vocal cords. Yeah. Another case that actually involves multiple species is the Travis Walton case in 1975. You probably heard about him and didn't realize it.

[00:42:00] They made the movie Fire in the Sky based on his story. I don't think I've ever seen that movie. But you. Well, okay. So maybe you don't know about him. That's fine. But, you know, that's another one we're going to cover in great detail eventually. Great. Look forward to it. Yeah. He was in Arizona with six of his fellow loggers and randomly came upon a ship in the woods. As one does.

[00:42:28] You know, so he disappeared for several days and then reappeared. It's weird. Additionally, not remembering. It's weird that somebody would see a big, tall, muscular alien with long blonde hair and disappear for a few days. He saw more than just that. He saw lots of. Whoa. There was a lot going on. What are you in blind? It sounded like he just had a great time. All right. He did. He had a wonderful. So wonderful.

[00:42:58] They made a movie about it. Oh, wow. Okay. I would not go wonderful. Look at that seven foot tall. Drink. Tall drink of water. I mean. Purple. Drink of purple stuff. Purple stuff. He's got that cool ring talking about save the planet. Yeah. Come on, man. He's a hippie. He's in touch with his sensitive side. Although he probably. He probably still had long hair then. He didn't have the box cut because it was the 70s. Flipping around. The old Kentucky waterfall.

[00:43:28] Being all seductive. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Cool. I appreciate your choices, man. That's great. Yeah. So they don't have to lie about it by making up a story. You could just say. Just found a. You met a. Dude in the woods. Found a hot dude in the woods, man. And you went for it. And left all his longer friends behind. Do what you gotta do. Yeah. I mean, I know maybe you've been judged in that time period. You know. But you don't. We're not going to judge you now, buddy. This is a. It's a different time now. It's a different time, buddy. Yeah. Do what you gotta do. Yeah. So. The most popular.

[00:44:00] I think you can go ahead and name that one. Roswell. Well. Yeah. They were at Roswell. Okay. Oh. The most popular race. Is it the greys? The greys. The greys. I do know that. We've seen them everywhere. They're always the big eyes, the big heads, slender bodies. Right? Yep. So. But different. They vary in height. They're usually the shorter ones. Sometimes they're taller or lankier. They are some that are described as taller. Yeah. Yeah. Usually they're the shorter.

[00:44:28] They're shorter than a normal human. Like four feet tall. And these are the guys that usually come and do the. The probing. Abductions. Oh. Oh yeah. You know I'm into the probe. Not into it. But I'm. I like talking about the probing. Yeah. You're a big fan of what they got going on in their spaceships. Yeah. Or time travel ships or whatever they are. Oh. Of course. Yes.

[00:44:57] Just based on one place they could come from. They might be coming from all the places. All. At the same time. Maybe each race is coming from a different dimension. Time. Planet. Yeah. Okay. Whatever. We don't know. Yeah. These are the facts that I have. When you're making up the rules. I'm not making up any rules. I'm just saying. I'm describing what has been seen. I'm saying when people just make up the rules. You can do whatever. Just write a book guys. There's books to come.

[00:45:27] I meant like actually label them as fiction. Don't try to sell them as nonfiction. Just write a fiction book. Do it. People do that too. Yeah. Yeah. They do. Go ahead. Greys are small thin bodied creatures with large heads. Small mouths. No nose. Usually just a slit for the nose and mouth. Yeah. And big old peepers. And large black eyes. Uh oh. Black eyes. But they're large.

[00:45:56] They're not normal black eyes that they can hide. They're just out there for you to see. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. Like. I mean they could. You know. Disguise their appearance or something. Why couldn't they. Shapeshift. Oh. What do you know? I don't know. I've never been abducted. These. These are the ones that. That take you to. Have the experiments done. They're usually related with missing time. Uh huh. Which I would assume. All of them do if you get abducted. Well if you look at it. If you.

[00:46:25] If you're abducted. You're probably going to be put under some kind of anesthesia. Right. Right. So you're going to lose time. Like you're going to. They're going to knock you out. They're going to. You wake up. You didn't even know you were asleep. Can play around with your holes. Probably wake up in the same spot. And you have no idea. You've lost track of all time. You know an interesting. Thought that I've. I've heard several times. To. To know if maybe. You're being abducted. If you suspect that. A good idea is to put. Your. Like. Pajamas. Or your shorts. Or whatever you sleep on. Put them on inside out.

[00:46:56] And then if you wake up. And they're on the correct way. Because they. They don't understand. Wait. Why would they not understand? Because they have abducted. So many people. They're going to know. What the clothes look like. But they're going to put your clothes. Back on the correct way. Because they're just. Doing their business. And they're thinking. Oh you're saying. They put it back on the correct way. So if you have it on inside out. Like tag goes on the inside guys. You've taken off. Plenty of these guys pants. So we know. We know. We can't have somebody. Figuring out that we were here. We got to put these back on right. What about a. What about a watch. What if you have a watch.

[00:47:26] And then you look at your watch. Well. Sometimes. Time stops. Well. Sometimes. Electrical. If it's a. Interference. A mechanical watch. That's wound. What electrical interference is going to. Well I don't. I'm saying sometimes. I didn't say every time. Okay cool. But what about the other times. So if you have a wound watch. Then it might still. What about a cell phone. But. You're still losing time. Yeah. But I can see. The cell phone might not work at all. But I mean. I can verify that I'm losing time.

[00:47:56] Is mostly what I meant. Well usually people understand that they lost time. Because they're like. It took me. On a normal trip. They're saying that. Oh I lost like three hours. Yeah. Because like. A lot of these happen. And they're. You know. Driving. I mean. Roddy Boy only lost 30 minutes. And he. But he was just mostly staring at it. So there's some kind of. We don't know if he was adduced or not. Was it 30 minutes? How long? Yeah. He thought he was only out there for five minutes. And it was 30 minutes. Did anybody even know the dog on that situation? How much time did a dog lose? In dog years.

[00:48:27] Oh man. 30 minutes times seven years. I think he was okay. I think he was fine. He lived for a while after that. He was okay. No. But I meant like. Okay. Maybe that's. Maybe my line of thinking was completely incorrect there. Yeah. Because usually. You know. That's one of the first suspicions. But ideally. The aliens would want you to be like. You didn't lose anything. Nothing happened. Well. I mean. If they're taking you out of your room. And you're sleeping. Then usually. You wouldn't notice that. But if they do it. Like. And you're on a road trip.

[00:48:57] That's when people start noticing it. Because they're like. I see. It should have took me. Three hours to. Take the trip to grandma's. It took me six hours. It took six. Or it took. Twelve hours. Or like. That had me up there for a long time. Yeah. Like. There's a definite. You know. And I don't remember driving. The wrong route. Or taking the wrong turn. Or. What are the side effects. That people. Do we want to get into that? Are there any kind of side effects. That people believe they have suffered. From. An abduction. Well. By a gray. I mean. Sometimes there's. You know.

[00:49:27] Medical anomalies. You know. From radiation and stuff. There have been. Reports of that. So. Like burns. Or loss of hair. Burns. Or. You know. Even. You know. Cancers and stuff. I wouldn't relate that. You know. I'm not pointing at that. But. People have said that. And then. Discovered. That they were abducted. I'm not. Correlate that. But I'm saying like. You know. Those are. Also things that are found.

[00:49:56] Are like. You know. Implants. People. I mean. Have they really found implants? I mean. People have gone. And had x-rays. And there's a mystery metal. Thing. In their skin. Have they? Do we? I mean. That's. If you. Okay. This is another. You're putting me on the spot. So I can't give you a. If you say. Okay. I. I think that. Maybe you just need to collect a bunch of stuff. And prove it. Well. That's what we're doing. I'm not saying right now. We're getting there eventually.

[00:50:26] Yeah. Yeah. I'm not saying right now. I don't want to prove all of it. Right now. We've only done a handful of episodes. So. Yeah. You can't go around. Prove it. Like. We've got to get. You know. Some. Yeah. Some episodes in. Don't worry about proving. Well. All right. I will. I will. I will see. Okay. Go ahead. Yeah. So I mean. There are. You know. Things that tip you off. Sometimes it's just the. The realization that you've lost time. Sometimes.

[00:50:56] It's. You know. Fatigue. You were. You thought you were asleep for. The entire night. You only got. An hour of rest. Because. That can be all kinds of things. It could be. I woke up. I slept for eight hours. I'm still very tired. Well. Yeah. I mean. Any medication you take. Can cause lack of sleep. Or. You know. Explosive diarrhea. You might need a CPAP machine. Yeah. Like. Come on. I didn't say that these things. Proved it.

[00:51:25] You asked me if there were any. Side effects. All right. All right. What's next? Nightmares are a side effect. Because they keep seeing mantis men. Putting metal objects in their skin. Like. Well. Stop doing the LSD before you go to sleep. All right. Well. That might be a cure. Who knows? So. We touched on Roswell. Betty and Barney Hill. 1987. A book was written. Okay. Communion. By Whitley Schrieber.

[00:51:55] Okay. One of the more famous. Abduction books. It sounds oddly familiar. Well. The cover is. Very familiar. I'll get you a picture of that. But people. When this book came out. Started having disturbing reactions. Because he drew what he saw. And. Awoken something. Wait. They started. Recollecting. Their abduction scenarios. Uh. And. You know. It. Caused all kinds of flash facts.

[00:52:25] And. Panic. And. You know. So that's more. One of the more famous. Uh. Examples. We'll touch on communion. Eventually. As well. These are all big cases. That. Are going to take a lot more detail. Than just. You know. This description. All right. Cool. I love that. You're just. You're just building. You're just building content. Building some tension. Building content. These. This will eventually be an episode. We've got so many episodes. Stay tuned. Come back. Everybody. All right. What else?

[00:52:55] It's going to happen. That's the. That's the last race. That I'm going to touch on. We've. You know. Talked about what. Where they could come from. Uh. I don't know which one you think. Would be the most plausible. None of them. And. No interdimensional. No. It could it be just. Could. The sightings of. Of UFOs and UAPs. Just be. Our own experimental. Airplanes. And. And drones. That is definitely. The most likely. Explanation.

[00:53:24] And. It doesn't explain. The. The grays of the robots. Unless. Oh. It's not real. Government agencies. Like dressing up. As men in black. And then they were like. Well. What if I put a robot suit on. Or none of it could be real. Like. None of it could have actually happened. I mean. I have. Plenty of examples. Where people said. Oh. Cool. That's great. People said a lot of stuff. Here's my biggest thing. Is that we're talking about. Like. We're talking about aliens. We talked about a little bit. With Kecksburg. I. Do not have a problem. With. Extra. Terrestrial. Life.

[00:53:54] Then we'll wrap it right there. We're good. No. We all know. That it's true. And Greg has confirmed it. And. No. Continue. I'm sorry. Of. Of. Of. Life. In varying. Forms. Throughout. The galaxy. I. I think the likelihood. It's pretty high. There is something. Now. That could be. Single cell organisms. Like. It could be bacteria. It could be. Anything. All those things. Are. Life. And. Which would get me. Super excited. About the subject of life.

[00:54:24] On. And the planets. And the potential. Solar system. Or whatever. Other inhabitable planets. Correct. All that stuff. Super cool. And I think the likelihood. Is pretty high. Do I think. That we're being visited. By extraterrestrials. That are coming down. To take our cows. And to. Do butt stuff. With us. No. I just don't think. That. Is a thing. Is. Is there. Could there be. Kind of humanoid. Life. Somewhere else. Yeah. Maybe.

[00:54:53] I don't know. It's too vast. There's too much. And the odds. The odds are. But it's still. Like. It's still a coin toss. It's still. I think. It would be more likely. For them. To. For there to be. Single cell organisms. Or something like that. You know. Most of it. Is probably. Simpler life. But I mean. Again. These are. These are things. That we. Don't know. And that's. Fine. Not to know them. But it's also. Perfectly fine. To go.

[00:55:23] I've never. Seen a spaceship. I've never seen an alien. Most people that I. I know. That I've ever talked to. Have not seen a spaceship. Not seen an alien. If it is. As frequent. As. All of these sightings. And all of these. Abductions. All. You know. It's so. It seems so prevalent. That. Man. It should. Should have been proven by now. There's. What. Seven billion people. On the earth now. Cool. And. And how. What's the percentage.

[00:55:53] That. Have seen. Get it. But I mean. Why is it that. Certain people. Experience it. And why is it always. The number one. The least prepared. Well. I mean.

[00:56:32] And. It seems like. There are a lot of people. That have experienced it. And we're dealing with a time. Where we constantly have cameras. Stuff everywhere. Pointed at the sky. Pointed at. But not as. Pointed at. Advanced maybe. As theirs. So they're able to avoid them. They're able to shut them off. They're like. Again. But that's just such. And. I have a problem with the magical thinking. It's not. Like. I. I think that. It would be. From. From.

[00:57:01] Like a fiction. Imagination. Standpoint. Cool. This is all fun. Right. Like. If. If I'm just writing. Some kind of. Thing. And I'm having fun. And I'm able to. To use my imagination. To come up with interesting ways. That I can make. This happen. It's. It's. Kind of sadder. That there are people. That are like. Let me come up with creative ways. That I could.

[00:57:31] Prove that it really happened. It's just too much of a. There's too much creativity associated with it. We've talked about the government's involvement. That they have a part in keeping it secret. Obviously. They want to tell something. But at a certain point. It wouldn't be able to be kept a secret. If it happened as much. As it has. It wouldn't be a secret anymore. But is it a secret? Everybody knows. About. Maybe you don't know somebody personally. But you know about. A story of someone. I know of a story.

[00:58:00] But that's a story. But. This is someone telling a story. That they believe happened though. I don't want to get into it. If it. I don't want to get into what people believe. Because people. But. Can believe. Can make themselves believe things. All the time. The truth could have already been exposed. But we're. You know. Inclined. And. You know. Told. This is not real. This is. Fringe stuff. So. I also don't know what the. I don't understand what the benefit is. I don't know what the benefit is. Of trying to.

[00:58:30] Cover. Cover the stuff up. I. I don't. Personally don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. Oh. Because there's advanced technology. That they're getting. Where's that advanced technology? Where is that technology? That is. You can. Look into. The developments. In the past. Oh. The microchip. 75 years. Come on. No. Stop taking away. Accomplishments. From people. It's the same. You talked about the history channel. And the ancient. Astronauts. Ancient aliens.

[00:58:59] There's no way that people. That ancient Egyptians. Could build a pyramid. Yeah. A bunch of. Bunch of. Bunch of. Bunch of people. Also. Forced labor. Yeah. Uh. All had to. Find a way to build this. Humans are pretty smart. Uh. We find a lot of ways to do stuff. And giving. All the credit. To some kind of alien. Because we invented a microchip. Giving all the credit. To some alien. Because we built. Ancient us. Built. A. A. A.

[00:59:29] A structure. Like. A large structure. That we can't. Stop giving the credit. To aliens. I'm not saying. That that is. Necessarily true. That we've gotten anything. From. Reverse engineering. Or anything that. What panic is it going to bring to people? I mean. It does. Like. Make a little bit. Of sense. If we got some help. From somewhere. There was such a big jump. It wasn't that big of a jump. I mean. We were. We didn't have.

[00:59:59] Vehicles. In. The 1900s. Because. Late 1800s. People figured it out. Give yourself some credit. And then. And then. It's a big explosion. That gets you to the moon. Computers in our hands. Like. This is a short time. Considering how long before that. We had. Next to nothing. You also have to think of the development of the human species. Right? You start all this hunter gatherers. Then you become. Uh. Aggregorial. Right? And then you settle into one location. But it was still slow movement in each process.

[01:00:27] It wasn't that slow of a movement because you've got to think that you went instantly from different kind of building techniques. You went from act to aqueducts. The human race has been rapidly expanding their prowess and their technologically. A technological ability in order to get things done that solve problems. Right? That progress us. We're constantly all. There's constantly an incline. It's not an all of a sudden snap your fingers thing. It's been going on for a while.

[01:00:56] And we've been solving problems for a long, long time. And constantly progressing technologically. Anybody who says that is only operating within their finite. Uh. Their finite. Uh. Lifespan. Because it's really easy for you to go. Look what changed. You look at us. We went from. You know. Having a. Well. Personal experience. Because this. This old man over here. I went from. Growing up to you. Didn't have a. Like.

[01:01:25] You had a computer on dial up. This big bulky CRT. I had an Atari. Yeah. And then. But then you. All of a sudden you transition. Right? There's this transition point where all of a sudden you have a. A computer that fits the palm of your hand. Right? Yeah. That technological advance. Technically. Already existed. Because the computer was already there. But if you look at the transition. Right? You. You dealt with before there was. The home PC. When you were younger. Yes. Then there was the home PC.

[01:01:55] All you're doing is you're seeing this small snapshot. And you're going. That's impossible. No. That's been going on. I didn't say it was impossible. No. I'm just trying to say is you're going. That's. Wow. Look at that. You just happened to live in this. In this space of time. Where stuff changed radically. They changed for you radically. Over the course of that time frame. Doesn't mean those things were are not. Were not already on the path to do so. You're looking at a snapshot. We die pretty quickly.

[01:02:25] And humans haven't been around for that long. In the grand scheme of things. I mean they've been around a pretty good chunk of time. And what I'm trying to say is relatively. I mean yeah. The human race is not that old. Compared to how long the Earth has been here. The human race is just not that old. Right. So that. You're. You're experiencing it from. Your limited lifespan. And you go. How is that even possible? Well if I could. If I could go back and ask the Atlanteans. What they did wrong. Oh my God. Are we going to talk about Atlanteans?

[01:02:56] We are right now. No. So you're telling me. We're going to talk about Atlanteans. You never know what we're going to talk about. On the show. All right. Let's. Let's go. Let's. Let's wrap this up. So. I think we've covered about all we need to cover here. For this episode. You know. If you would like to continue. Hearing wonderful topics that we've discussed tonight. And other ones. That. You know. I'll prove to be true at some point.

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